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201 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102073 | ||
John You asked, "is God upset" I imagine He is. Sodom made God mad and I think we are well on our way. Like Billy Graham has said if God doesn't do something he will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. EdB |
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202 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102133 | ||
John How sad! EdB |
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203 | death of the apostles and how many? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102134 | ||
mkm9 So very true! Be blessed my friend EdB |
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204 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102141 | ||
John No I can't imagine it and neither can any other thinking individual. That is not the idea Dr Graham nor I was trying to convey. What Dr. Graham was saying along with so many others is that this nation, which has been so blessed so mightly by God and having now turned our backs on God have angered God that they feel God is in the process of humbling this nation as no other nation has ever been humbled. The idea wasn't God apologizing the idea was we have so angered or made ourselves so odorous to God that God must and is taking action. EdB |
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205 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102144 | ||
John You still view our relationship with God not as a Father child relationship but rather as a manipulative. One where God being God causes us to do what He desires. That is very limiting to both us and God. We have talked about how it limits us we become more or less puppets. But it really limits God. You reduce Him from all knowing, all seeing, all mighty to someone that can't react to His child but must rather control them. I believe there is nothing we can or can not do that limits God, you on the other hand feel God is limited in some way and must make us react as He planned. In other words if God wanted us to take a package across the street you feel God through the leading of the Holy Spirit would impress us to take the package across the street and we would be unable to resist doing anything other than that. I feel that if God wanted us to take the package across the street He would plant that in us but we could to chose whether we would heed that call. If we did fine however if we did not God through circumstances would either modify what we choose to do. Eventually leading us to doing just that or would use a more willing individual, blessing them and let us learn the blessing we missed by not doing God's will initially. God is a Father, a real Father doesn’t try to control his children, a real Father teaches His children. A father wants to see his children mature and be able to stand on what he has taught them not by him propping them up. By trying to give God so much sovereignty you actually limit Him. God can overcome anything we do or don’t do. That is why he is God. He gives us free choice and then accomplishes what He desires with or with out us. In your world you have removed all your responsibility. You don’t have to learn to hear God, God will make you hear him. You don’t have to be the obedient servant God will make you one. You don’t have to have burden for prayer God will give it to you. John in your world you can’t fail because we all know God never fails, therefore by contributing everything that happens or doesn’t happen to God you have made yourself fail proof. It would be great if that was the way it was! However we have skin in the game and our actions are our own God is God enough to react and handle anything we do or don’t do. John view God as a Father not an as you presently do. EdB |
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206 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102145 | ||
John Yet scripture clearly states God halted what He was doing because of the prayers. EdB |
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207 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102154 | ||
John If you understood what Billy Graham said, why would you try to throw it back at me as so wrong? It is as if your trying to take anything I say and make it wrong and in doing it this time, you painted Dr. Graham in a bad light. John that is not a good thing. I think you need to step back a little and decide what it is your doing and is what your doing really representing what you want it to. EdB |
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208 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102155 | ||
Radioman2 I ask you the same question the same question I asked John, did God stop His actions because of prayer or not? Scripture says He did. Exodus 32:10-11 Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation." [11] Then Moses pleaded with the Lord his God, and said: "Lord, why does Your wrath burn hot against Your people whom You have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? Genesis 18:20-26 And the Lord said, "Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, [21] I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know." [22] Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. [23] And Abraham came near and said, "Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? [24] Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? [25] Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" [26] So the Lord said, "If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes." Numbers 11:2 Then the people cried out to Moses, and when Moses prayed to the Lord, the fire was quenched. Numbers 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, "We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people. Deut. 9:20 And the Lord was very angry with Aaron and would have destroyed him; so I prayed for Aaron also at the same time. 2 Samuel 24:17 Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking the people, and said, "Surely I have sinned, and I have done wickedly; but these sheep, what have they done? Let Your hand, I pray, be against me and against my father's house." The verse you quote Malachi 3:6 "For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. Does this mean God does not let our prayers effect Him or does it mean His basic nature never changes? I beleive God's nature His essence, His very being never changes but He does change His actions as He witnesses our actions and reactions. Immutable does not mean you never react it mean's you always react the same way. For instance when David made a plead for his people God was touched with compassion and stayed His anger. Just as He did when Moses pleaded for his people. Had God not been imutable He very well may have reacted differently in each case. If we really believe God's mind is made up why bother praying, just let it happen, whatever it is. God celarly said we have not because we ask not. In other words God wants us to have things but He is waiting for us to ask and when we do it gives it to us. There are two distinct actions here waiting and giving and God moves (changes) from one to the other by our action. EdB |
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209 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102171 | ||
John Of course I desire God's will in my life, but I also have to admit at times I rebel and do it my way. God allows me that privilege. He is not surprised nor are his plans wrecked, but at times He is saddened. However since He is God He merely once again makes things go as He desires. I’m either passed by, chastened, or both hopefully learning not to rebel and to stay in God’s will. EdB |
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210 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102172 | ||
John Okay :-) Edb |
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211 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102173 | ||
Tim Let's give the Holy Spirit the glory. EdB |
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212 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102174 | ||
John I don't know how Tim feels but I feel fairly comfortable riding Packer's shoulder with you on this quote. EdB |
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213 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102196 | ||
John I agree God's never changes but we do and how God handles that without having His plan change is what makes Him God. EdB |
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214 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102199 | ||
Radioman2 I interested in your thoughts on the orginal or first post in this thread. EdB |
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215 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102205 | ||
Tim John gave this quote (ran through my spell checker :-) ) "It is true that there is a group of texts... which speak of God as repenting. The reference in each case is to a reversal of God's treatment of a particular people, consequent on their reaction to that treatment. But there is no suggestion that this reaction was not foreseen, or that it took God by surprise and was not provided for in His eternal plan. No change in His eternal purpose is implied when He begins to deal with a person in a new way." I think you took exception to it, but I'm not clear as why. As I read it, it seems to imply God does react to what people do but that neither surprises God nor effects the overall plan He has in place. Is there something I'm missing? EdB |
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216 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102261 | ||
Tim I focused on, "The reference in each case is to a reversal of God's treatment of a particular people, consequent on their reaction to that treatment." To me the author was admitting that God does react to how we act. EdB |
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217 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102262 | ||
Makarios Again let God get the Glory EdB |
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218 | Please I'm looking for your opinion! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102263 | ||
Radioman2 Blessings to you EdB |
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219 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102526 | ||
John The verses you quote say the outcome was ordained not the path or every step of the way. By making God control or ordain every miniscule thing you transform Him from a loving Father God into a controlling taskmaster God. Look at the life of Joseph. God ordained that he would use Joseph to open the door of Egypt to the Children of Israel. Do you think God forced Joseph instead of being humble to bragged to his brothers so they would get jealous? Do you credit God with the jealously of each of Joseph’s brothers? Do you credit God with the lie they told their father to cover up what they did to Joseph? Do you charge God with the ruthlessness of the Ishmaelites that would take Joseph slave? Do you credit Potiphar’s wife’s adulterous desires to God? Do you credit the lack of integrity of the cupbear to God? Saying God controlled this step by step is also saying he had to author the acts. Or could this be a lesson in God’s sovereignty? God ordained as I said that Joseph would one day open the door of Egypt to the Children of Israel. Everyone’s action from there on is nothing more than their free will being exercised and God dealing with each as they occurred accomplishing His goal. None of these actions on the part of any the various people involved surprised God. However I do think in many cases God was sadden because they weren’t God’s highest and best but again they weren’t surprises. Did God have this all worked about before hand? I don’t think so since saying before hand implies time is a factor to God and it isn’t. Does this say God has many options and he chooses which to use per situation? I don’t think so that would contribute some degree of lack of knowledge to God since He had to have options. Does that say God directed them? No that would imply God was manipulating or controlling rather than loving and just. WELL THEN WHAT EXACTLY DOES IT REPRESENT? To me it represents another side of God we can not conceive of. A God that is able to put a plan in place, have people that obey or disobey at their will partake in the plan and be able to make the plan accomplish exactly what God desired the plan to accomplish with no surprises, hesitations, or complications. You can couch that in all kinds of theories, terminology, philosophy whatever you want but the fact is you can’t explain it, understand it or label it. You have to accept it as a child would and trust God for the rest. EdB |
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220 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102562 | ||
Tim Not to nitpick myself we can say about 90 percent of the Bible is addressed to the Jews and in most laws that we hold near and dear were never directed directly at Christians. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife. You can say Jesus covered this in by saying do unto others as you would have them do unto you but then what about wife swapping? We know that is wrong but why? Because it was a moral code that God gave to His people it stood then and it stands today. I think we need to take the Bible as universally talking to God's people whether they be Children of Israel or gentiles adopted and grafted in. Then there are those that say we are no longer under the law. Your right we don’t have to strive to keep the law in attempt to secure our salvation but we should strive to keep it to be pleasing to God our Father. It not longer becomes a question of whether we have to or not it now becomes something we just do. Besides tithing was and still is a way to show honor long before the law came into being. EdB |
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