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1 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 131637 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! I have always had a question concerning the Catholic view of Mt. 16:18. Perhaps, you can answer it for me. If Mt. 16:18 is to be viewed as establishing the 'chair of Peter', why did Jesus change Greek words for 'rock' in this verse? In other words, if Jesus meant us to understand Mt. 16:18 as establishing Peter as the 'rock' upon which the Church would be established, why doesn't the Greek simply say: "You are Peter (Petros), and upon Peter (Petros) I will build my Church" Instead, it says: "You are Peter (Petros) and upon this the rock (petra) I will build my Church." The Greek changes from the masculine to a feminine form. Clearly, this would indicate a change in the reference. On the site of the aricle you referenced, the only response I saw to this question was that Aramaic had no different words for 'rock'. However, we have no evidence that Jesus spoke this in Aramaic. We do have the inspired texts of Scripture, and they use a totally different word. Just curious my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 131646 | ||
Tim, "On the site of the aricle you referenced, the only response I saw to this question was that Aramaic had no different words for 'rock'. However, we have no evidence that Jesus spoke this in Aramaic. We do have the inspired texts of Scripture, and they use a totally different word." We also have no evidence that Jesus did not us Kephas. But we know the other apostles called Peter Kephas or Cephas, because Paul does it in his epistles. I wonder why that would be if Jesus never called Peter Kephas. Here is the NASB, of our host Lockman. Take note of the first citation. John 1:42 He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas" (which is translated Peter). 1 Cor 1:12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." 1 Cor 3:22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, 1 Cor 9:5 Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? 1 Cor 15:5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Gal 1:18 Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. Gal 2:9 and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. Gal 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? Emmaus |
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3 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 131654 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! I never said that Jesus never called Peter 'Cephas'. :-) I said that we have no evidence that Mt. 16:18 was originally spoken in Aramaic. The text of Scripture is in Greek, and the words used are 'petros' and 'petra'. From a Catholic perspective, why the change of words? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 131680 | ||
Tim, You are the Greek scholar, not me, but as I understand it a male name must have a male ending in Greek. Do you have acess to a good Protestant theological library. If so look at Gerherd Kittell's Theological Dictionary of the New Testament in ten volumes. Look for vol VI, pages 98-99 and see what he says about Matt 16:18. I know you know Kittle. I will let him make the argument for me. He is omly one of many Protestant scholars of the same opinion. See also vol 6, page 108 in the 1968 edition by Eerdman's, Grand Rapids MI. The short version conclusion that kittle reaches on Matt 16;18 is this: "It is thus evident that Jesus is referring to Peter, to whom he has given the name Rock. He appoints Peter, the impulsive, enthusiastic, but not persevering man in the circle, to be the foundation of his ecclesia. To this extent Roman Catholic Exegesis is right and all Protestant attempts to evade this interpretation are to be rejected." vol 6, p108. Don't you just love Kittel? ;-) Of course its all Greek to me. Emmaus |
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