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1 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 131633 | ||
COuntry Girl, I do believe all that the Catholic Church teaches, but I do not belive some of what you think the Catholic Church teaches or what some people who identifiy themselves as Catholics mistakenly believe the Catholic Church teaches.. For example, I do not believe that the pope is equal to God Himself, because the Catholic Church does not teach that. Nor does the Catholic Church teach that everything the pope utters is an infallible pronouncement. It is a very narrow and limited doctrine confined to certain teaches related to faith and morals made in a specific manner. And yes I do believe in the Communion of Saints and that we pray with and for one another. I do ask the saints in heaven to pray for me just as I ask the saints here on hear to pray for me. We are all alive in Christ. If you wish to know in depth what I believe, and what the Catholic Church actually teaches, please feel free to look at the Catechism, which can be found at this link: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc2.htm For my own explanation of a few of these subjects here on the Forum please see these previous posts and threads: 27130 26328 Emmaus |
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2 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Country Girl | 131634 | ||
I'm glad to see that you don't believe in the infallibility of the Pope. But the Pope and his organization in Rome do or so it seems according the Catholic website, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm. Concerning the custom of praying through the saints in Heaven, it seems that Jesus taught in Jn 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. and endorsed by Paul 1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. Blessings to you, dear friend. Country Girl |
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3 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 131635 | ||
Sorry to disappoint you. I do believe in papal infallability. I simply do not believe in your misunderstanding of it. Here is an excerpt from the Newadvent webite article you referenced. Read it very carefuly. It explains the limits of this charism and the specific circumsatnces under which it applies. For example, "ex cathedra" means from the chair (of Peter)which conotes Peter's authority given in Matt 16:18. When such a pronouncement is made it must be done with an explicit indication that the pope is speaking in that capacity. It s a negative charism in that it prevents error. It is not a positive gift such as inspiration. I suggest you read that entire article again very carefully so as to at least properly understand it if not agreeing with it. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm "The Vatican Council has defined as "a divinely revealed dogma" that "the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra -- that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church -- is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals; and consequently that such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are irreformable of their own nature (ex sese) and not by reason of the Church's consent" (Densinger no. 1839 -- old no. 1680). For the correct understanding of this definition it is to be noted that: what is claimed for the pope is infallibility merely, not impeccability or inspiration (see above under I). the infallibility claimed for the pope is the same in its nature, scope, and extent as that which the Church as a whole possesses; his ex cathedra teaching does not have to be ratified by the Church's in order to be infallible. infallibility is not attributed to every doctrinal act of the pope, but only to his ex cathedra teaching; and the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are mentioned in the Vatican decree: The pontiff must teach in his public and official capacity as pastor and doctor of all Christians, not merely in his private capacity as a theologian, preacher ar allocutionist, nor in his capacity as a temporal prince or as a mere ordinary of the Diocese of Rome. It must be clear that he speaks as spiritual head of the Church universal. Then it is only when, in this capacity, he teaches some doctrine of faith or morals that he is infallible (see below, IV). Further it must be sufficiently evident that he intends to teach with all the fullness and finality of his supreme Apostolic authority, in other words that he wishes to determine some point of doctrine in an absolutely final and irrevocable way, or to define it in the technical sense (see DEFINITION). These are well-recognized formulas by means of which the defining intention may be manifested. Finally for an ex cathedra decision it must be clear that the pope intends to bind the whole Church. To demand internal assent from all the faithful to his teaching under pain of incurring spiritual shipwreck (naufragium fidei) according to the expression used by Pius IX in defining the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin. Theoretically, this intention might be made sufficiently clear in a papal decision which is addressed only to a particular Church; but in present day conditions, when it is so easy to communicate with the most distant parts of the earth and to secure a literally universal promulgation of papal acts, the presumption is that unless the pope formally addresses the whole Church in the recognized official way, he does not intend his doctrinal teaching to be held by all the faithful as ex cathedra and infallible." Emmaus |
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4 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 131636 | ||
Emmaus, This is an obviously emotionally charged topic, and one that no doubt may be misunderstood by non-Catholics. I do appreciate your "insider" perspective. In honestly seeking clarification here, could you do 2 things? 1. Provide a more "layman" explanation or summary of what this is saying; 2. Define Infallibilty. My major challenge is this: I would have an extremely hard time (from my perspective)in accepting that anyone- including the Pope - could be "infallible" in any meaningful sense of the word. This seems to be contrary to scripture. How exactly would the Church as a whole possess infallibility? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 131640 | ||
BradK, As me something easy like how can a Church full of sinners be a spotless bride? ;-) Or how can a bunch of bumblers like the apostles teach and spread the faith without error? I presume you believe they did do that. The following article may be more helpful than anything I could write. I have quoted its closing paragraph. http://www.catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp "Since Christ said the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church (Matt. 16:18b), this means that his Church can never pass out of existence. But if the Church ever apostasized by teaching heresy, then it would cease to exist; because it would cease to be Jesus' Church. Thus the Church cannot teach heresy, meaning that anything it solemnly defines for the faithful to believe is true. This same reality is reflected in the Apostle Paul's statement that the Church is "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). If the Church is the foundation of religious truth in this world, then it is God's own spokesman. As Christ told his disciples: "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me" (Luke 10:16)." Emmaus |
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6 | should a catholic marraige be sanctified | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 131641 | ||
Emmaus, Thanks for the reference. I will check it out and read it:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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