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1 | How am I saved? | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 131526 | ||
Dalcent, I would respectfully take issue with your statement that " I don't believe that all our future sins are forgiven; after all Jesus instituted the Lord's Prayer in which we regularly ask forgiveness for our ongoing sins. I do not believe the Bible anywhere teaches that we are forgiven all our sins past, present and future, and it gives many stern warnings against both apostasy and ongoing sin." The main problem with this view is that it negates the all-sufficiency of Christs' atoning sacrifice on the cross! If all only our past sins are forgiven, then redemption is not complete and Christ must therefore go to the cross again- an impossibility according to Romans 6:9! Hebrews 9:12 clearly tells us "He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption." Further in 9:22 says "...and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Second, I believe scripture unequivocably teaches us that we are forgiven of ALL sins (past, present, and future). "It is finished!" John 19:30 "For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God." Romans 6:10 "Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you." Eph. 4:32 Colossians 2:13 is by far the clearest:"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," "bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you." Col. 3:13 "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him." Heb. 9:28 All the Pauline verses denote a past action, which is complete, carrying forward to the present time. If Christs' sacrifice is not wholly sufficient to pay for the penalty of my sin and redeem me, what further can be done? Surely you're not advocating any self-effort on my part? Christ either paid the full penalty for ALL my sins or He didn't. Ephesians 1:7 tells us "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace" Your and my forgiveness is solely "according to the riches of His grace", and it is by being in the sphere of Him! In Him we have complete redemption, and complete forgiveness. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | How am I saved? | Bible general Archive 2 | Dalcent | 131565 | ||
Hi there BradK, My posting 'How am I saved?' was in response to CDBJ's query that I understood how I was saved; no doubt he regarded me a little suspiciously as I stated I was a Catholic. I think the debate has shifted a little from the are Catholics Christian to more of a Calvinism/Arminianism debate. I would query some of your quotes. Why does 'It is finished!' (Jn. 19:30) necessarily mean all our sins past, present and future are forgiven. Jesus was perhaps referring to His suffering. (Note that it says He was raised for our justification in Rom. 4:25. So there is one aspect that was not finished.) You have extrapolated your past, present and future doctrine from a verse which does not explicitly say anything of the kind. What do you think "Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Eph. 4:32" proves? Where is any hint here of anything more than God has forgiven you your sins so far. There is nothing explicit here to affirm your doctrine. Likewise, most of your quotes just say God forgave you, you never produce a quote that explicitly mentions forgiveness of sins you will commit in the future. I take specific issue with, "All the Pauline verses denote a past action, which is complete, carrying forward to the present time." What nonsense! (Furthermore, what about future sins.) Paul writes: "...but to us who are being saved it is the power of God" 1 Cor 1:18, ie we are not saved yet. How can you logically retort 'It is finished!' to me; it is simply a non sequitur (an inference not warrantable from the premises). You write 'Surely you're not advocating any self-effort on my part?' Well Paul wrote in 1 Cor 9:27 '...I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.' That sounds like self-effort to me. Read the Bible with an open mind, not a closed system. |
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3 | How am I saved? | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 131598 | ||
Dalcent, I thought my challenge to you was with "respect?:-) I see no need to repeat what I've already said. If the verses I pointed out don't mean what they say, then what do they mean? You assume way too much, my friend in saying "Read the Bible with an open mind, not a closed system." Come on! You can do better than that! When you write "I take specific issue with, "All the Pauline verses denote a past action, which is complete, carrying forward to the present time." What nonsense!" On what basis? How do you ignore the grammar of those verses? 1 Cor. 1:18 cannot be saying or implying something otherwise taught in scripture! My question would then be: What sins (of yours and mine) did Christ NOT die for? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | How am I saved? | Bible general Archive 2 | Dalcent | 131622 | ||
With due respect I think Calvinist evangelical theology is scripturally selective and mistaken in its conclusions, so of course lots of verses including 1 Cor 1:18 don't fit. |
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