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1 | How am I saved? | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 131526 | ||
Dalcent, I would respectfully take issue with your statement that " I don't believe that all our future sins are forgiven; after all Jesus instituted the Lord's Prayer in which we regularly ask forgiveness for our ongoing sins. I do not believe the Bible anywhere teaches that we are forgiven all our sins past, present and future, and it gives many stern warnings against both apostasy and ongoing sin." The main problem with this view is that it negates the all-sufficiency of Christs' atoning sacrifice on the cross! If all only our past sins are forgiven, then redemption is not complete and Christ must therefore go to the cross again- an impossibility according to Romans 6:9! Hebrews 9:12 clearly tells us "He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption." Further in 9:22 says "...and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Second, I believe scripture unequivocably teaches us that we are forgiven of ALL sins (past, present, and future). "It is finished!" John 19:30 "For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God." Romans 6:10 "Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you." Eph. 4:32 Colossians 2:13 is by far the clearest:"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," "bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you." Col. 3:13 "so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him." Heb. 9:28 All the Pauline verses denote a past action, which is complete, carrying forward to the present time. If Christs' sacrifice is not wholly sufficient to pay for the penalty of my sin and redeem me, what further can be done? Surely you're not advocating any self-effort on my part? Christ either paid the full penalty for ALL my sins or He didn't. Ephesians 1:7 tells us "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace" Your and my forgiveness is solely "according to the riches of His grace", and it is by being in the sphere of Him! In Him we have complete redemption, and complete forgiveness. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | How am I saved? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 131556 | ||
Brad, Dalcent wrote, "I would respectfully take issue with your statement that " I don't believe that all our future sins are forgiven; after all Jesus instituted the Lord's Prayer in which we regularly ask forgiveness for our ongoing sins. I do not believe the Bible anywhere teaches that we are forgiven all our sins past, present and future, and it gives many stern warnings against both apostasy and ongoing sin." Dalcent BradK responded, "The main problem with this view is that it negates the all-sufficiency of Christs' atoning sacrifice on the cross! If all only our past sins are forgiven, then redemption is not complete and Christ must therefore go to the cross again- an impossibility according to Romans 6:9! Hebrews 9:12 clearly tells us "He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption." Further in 9:22 says "...and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." BradK I would say Dalccent's view does not negate the all-sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Nor does it imply that He need be crucified again. It is we who must take up our cross daily and follow Christ. Dalcent merely asserts that the application of those merits of Christ's sacrifice, his finished work are not fully applied until one has "finished the race" as Paul put it. The application of those merits will not be complete until the resurrection of the body on the last day.(Rom 8:23) Otherwise, why did Paul fear "stumbling, so as to fall"? We are eternally secure if we have "perserved to the end" and though God may know who will persevere to the end before the end, we do not. So for those who will and do persevere to the end, their future sins will be forgiven. But the future sins of those who do not and will not persevere to the end will not be forgiven. And yes, those who will peservere do so by grace merited by Christ's one sacrifice on the cross. Emmaus |
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3 | How am I saved? | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 131599 | ||
Hello Emmaus, I thank you for your response. In all due respect, I will agree to disagree on this, my friend:-) For the record, I have no challenge with you or any other "Catholic Christian" who names the name of Christ! We are one in Him, regardless of any doctrinal disagreements, if indeed Jesus Christ has entered our hearts by faith. As always, I so much appreciate your input and perspective. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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