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1 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127918 | ||
Greetings once again tgc: I found your reply most interesting. Below I have numbered and listed comments you made, and have provided my comments on them in return. The first comment of yours that stood out was: 1)"Regeneration : When Christ renews ones heart and gives that person the new nature or if you will the point a which the new man is born. This is entirely the work of Christ and man has no hand in it." With that I agree. Next you stated: 2)"The Bible teaches that salvation comes by grace through faith." Yes that is clearly stated in Eph. 2:8-9. But is there any place in the Bible that says, "regeneration" comes through faith. If what you previously said was true, and which I believe it is that; "regeneration, is entirely the work of Christ and man has no hand in it." Then is it possible to exercise faith to bring about "regeneration" The word faith and believe are interchangeable in Scripture, and since we are commanded to believe (1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ) or have faith in Christ, then I only see where faith is necessary for salvation, but not necessary for "regeneration." And since we both agree man has no hand in regeneration, then at the same time we cannot be commanded to be "regenerated" If being regenerated was to be commanded, then we would have to obey and that would mean that in obeying we actually did have a hand in it, since obedeince to any command is active rather than passive. And we would be found contradicting ourselves in what we previously stated. Next you stated: 3) "Yes I belive an unregenerated man can respond to the Gospel." In my understanding of the unregenerate, they are spiritually dead, (Eph. 2:1-10)and unable to respond to any call. Even Lazarus had to first be awakened from his dead condition before he could obey the call of Jesus to "come forth" (John 11:43) I don't see where the dead can even hear let alone respond to anything. Next you stated: 4) "The Bible goes on to tell that faith comes by hearing the Word of God." I agree. But is there any place in the Bible where it says "regeneration" comes from hearing? I think we need to see the difference between "faith" and "regeneration" The last statement of yours that stood out was: 5) "all who come to Christ have an unregenerated heart." Once again can those who are spiritually dead until being regenerated, be able to come to Christ? In my previous example of Lazarus, we have seen that before Lazarus could come to Jesus, he had to first be brought to life. I think this is the same thing we see concerning being made alive physically can also be said about being made alive spiritually. I hope to hear from you soon. God bless you and thanks for the great reply New Creature |
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2 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 127920 | ||
Greetings New Creature! Part of the problem I have with trying to determine the exact order of everything is that Scripture is silent on much of it. For instance, 'regeneration' only occurs twice in the NT and only once in the context of salvation (Titus 3:4). Further, nothing in the verse really allows us to say exactly the order it should be placed in the scheme of things. Concerning spiritually dead people, if I go out in the middle of town and scream at the top of my voice, every single 'dead' person will turn and look at me. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127968 | ||
Hello Tim; Thanks for you input. I just want to run one more thought past you. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. From the word "see" in the following verse. Is that in reference to spiritual sight? And if we cannot see the kingdom of heaven, until given spiritual eyes, and other spiritual senses such as "ears to hear" which are not mentioned, but I think could be included along with sight. Then isn't this somewhat of an indication, that spritual sight must be given at the time of the event we call the new birth? And if we are spiritually blind previously to the new birth, wouldn't we merely stumble in the dark without finding Jesus? This is another reason why I am leaning towards the idea, that regeneration possibly precedes faith. God Bless you brother New Creature |
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4 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 128040 | ||
Greetings New Creature! Sorry that it took me so long to respond! I have been very busy this week! :-) The word used in John 3:3 is 'eidon'. I do not believe that this verse refers to actually 'seeing' the Kingdom, but experiencing the Kingdom. This word is used in this sense many times in the NT. For instance: 1 Pet. 3:10 - "For, 'Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.'" Luke 2:21 - "And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ." See also Heb. 11:5. Rev. 18:7 - "To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as a queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.'" Acts 2:14 - "Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 128061 | ||
Hello again Tim Thank you brother Tim, for helping me SEE my way through this. Your reply has been very helpful to me, and will be used to help me gain a clearer understanding of Scripture in future uses of the word "see." Thanks you once again; New Creature |
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6 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 128063 | ||
Greetings New Creature! Oh! Bad puns! :-) While I was looking up the meaning of 'see', I was reminded of how difficult a task translation can be! There are a total of 6 distinct meanings for 'eidon' with a total of 10 shades of meaning listed in BAG. Many think that translation simply involves plugging an English word in for a Greek or Hebrew word, but there is so much more to the process. We should thank God every day for the translators who have brough God's Word to us in English! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 128333 | ||
Brother Tim; Once again I thank you, and as always I appreciate all your help in assisting my understanding of God's word. God Bless you friend New Creature |
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