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1 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | tgc | 127304 | ||
New Creature, Sorry not to get back to you sooner. The reason I give the list the order I do is because I think it is really hard to seperate salvation and regeneration. The way I understand it when a person comes to the point of repentance and calls on the Name of the Lord and is saved at that point salvation occurs and when salvation occurs one is given a new heart or regenerated. In this man has no hand,it is all the work of Christ. The next step in the process is santification where we are conformed more to Christ likeness everyday. There are some who would link this with regeneration making it also an ongoing process I however hold to the ideal that regenerstion and salvation are basically happening at the same time. Let me close with this to maybe backup my position. In Romans 10:13 Paul writes " For whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." This would lead me to belive that salvation happens at the very moment that one calls on the name of the Lord. Then in 2 Cor. 5:17 Paul states, " Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold all things are become new." In short my understanding is this, if we are instantly saved when we come to Christ in repentance, then we would instantly be in Christ and when we are in Christ we are a new creation or regenerated. I hope this answers your question. In The Love Of Christ, tgc |
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2 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127654 | ||
Dear tgc; In my previous post to you, I asked if you could possibly provide me with your definition of "regeneration." Could you at this time desfine what you mean by the term "regeneration?" Secondly you used the following Scripture; In Romans 10:13 Paul writes " For whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved." I don't disagree with the Scripture you provided, but it may be helpful to our discussion if you could answer the following question. Do you believe an unregenerated man can call on the Lord, or even desires to do so? Grace to you New Creature |
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3 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | tgc | 127894 | ||
Good Evening, New Creature, I have not been ignoring your questions just have not had a chance to answer them. I thought I had answered the definition of regeneration, however I was probly unclear so let me offer this. Rgeneration : When Christ renews ones heart and gives that person the new nature or if you will the point a which the new man is born. This is entirely the work of Christ and man has no hand in it. Yes I belive an unregenerated man can respond to the Gospel. The Bible teaches that salvations comes by grace through faith. The Bible goes on to tell that faith comes by hearing the Word of God. To elaborate I belive that all of us have a seed of faith planted deep within us. This can be demonstrated by simply looking around us, take for example the athiest, I wuld say he has more faith than me, to belive there is simply nothing beyound man himself and completely eliminate any ideal of any kind of god. Another example would be the evolutionist who can put all his faith in the ideal that something came from nothing. Everything just happened by chance. These two positions take huge amounts of faith to honestly hold to. However when one hears the Gospel and responds to conviction of th Holy Spirit by the seed of Faith that God has planted in them, then the ground work for salvation is in place. So I guess the short answer to that part of your question is that all who come to Christ have an unregenerated heart. I relize that there are many who will disagree with me on this but this is where I stand. I hope I have clearly answered your questions. In The Love Christ, tgc |
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4 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127918 | ||
Greetings once again tgc: I found your reply most interesting. Below I have numbered and listed comments you made, and have provided my comments on them in return. The first comment of yours that stood out was: 1)"Regeneration : When Christ renews ones heart and gives that person the new nature or if you will the point a which the new man is born. This is entirely the work of Christ and man has no hand in it." With that I agree. Next you stated: 2)"The Bible teaches that salvation comes by grace through faith." Yes that is clearly stated in Eph. 2:8-9. But is there any place in the Bible that says, "regeneration" comes through faith. If what you previously said was true, and which I believe it is that; "regeneration, is entirely the work of Christ and man has no hand in it." Then is it possible to exercise faith to bring about "regeneration" The word faith and believe are interchangeable in Scripture, and since we are commanded to believe (1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ) or have faith in Christ, then I only see where faith is necessary for salvation, but not necessary for "regeneration." And since we both agree man has no hand in regeneration, then at the same time we cannot be commanded to be "regenerated" If being regenerated was to be commanded, then we would have to obey and that would mean that in obeying we actually did have a hand in it, since obedeince to any command is active rather than passive. And we would be found contradicting ourselves in what we previously stated. Next you stated: 3) "Yes I belive an unregenerated man can respond to the Gospel." In my understanding of the unregenerate, they are spiritually dead, (Eph. 2:1-10)and unable to respond to any call. Even Lazarus had to first be awakened from his dead condition before he could obey the call of Jesus to "come forth" (John 11:43) I don't see where the dead can even hear let alone respond to anything. Next you stated: 4) "The Bible goes on to tell that faith comes by hearing the Word of God." I agree. But is there any place in the Bible where it says "regeneration" comes from hearing? I think we need to see the difference between "faith" and "regeneration" The last statement of yours that stood out was: 5) "all who come to Christ have an unregenerated heart." Once again can those who are spiritually dead until being regenerated, be able to come to Christ? In my previous example of Lazarus, we have seen that before Lazarus could come to Jesus, he had to first be brought to life. I think this is the same thing we see concerning being made alive physically can also be said about being made alive spiritually. I hope to hear from you soon. God bless you and thanks for the great reply New Creature |
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5 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 127920 | ||
Greetings New Creature! Part of the problem I have with trying to determine the exact order of everything is that Scripture is silent on much of it. For instance, 'regeneration' only occurs twice in the NT and only once in the context of salvation (Titus 3:4). Further, nothing in the verse really allows us to say exactly the order it should be placed in the scheme of things. Concerning spiritually dead people, if I go out in the middle of town and scream at the top of my voice, every single 'dead' person will turn and look at me. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127968 | ||
Hello Tim; Thanks for you input. I just want to run one more thought past you. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. From the word "see" in the following verse. Is that in reference to spiritual sight? And if we cannot see the kingdom of heaven, until given spiritual eyes, and other spiritual senses such as "ears to hear" which are not mentioned, but I think could be included along with sight. Then isn't this somewhat of an indication, that spritual sight must be given at the time of the event we call the new birth? And if we are spiritually blind previously to the new birth, wouldn't we merely stumble in the dark without finding Jesus? This is another reason why I am leaning towards the idea, that regeneration possibly precedes faith. God Bless you brother New Creature |
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7 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 128040 | ||
Greetings New Creature! Sorry that it took me so long to respond! I have been very busy this week! :-) The word used in John 3:3 is 'eidon'. I do not believe that this verse refers to actually 'seeing' the Kingdom, but experiencing the Kingdom. This word is used in this sense many times in the NT. For instance: 1 Pet. 3:10 - "For, 'Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.'" Luke 2:21 - "And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ." See also Heb. 11:5. Rev. 18:7 - "To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as a queen and I am not a widow, and will never see mourning.'" Acts 2:14 - "Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 128061 | ||
Hello again Tim Thank you brother Tim, for helping me SEE my way through this. Your reply has been very helpful to me, and will be used to help me gain a clearer understanding of Scripture in future uses of the word "see." Thanks you once again; New Creature |
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9 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 128063 | ||
Greetings New Creature! Oh! Bad puns! :-) While I was looking up the meaning of 'see', I was reminded of how difficult a task translation can be! There are a total of 6 distinct meanings for 'eidon' with a total of 10 shades of meaning listed in BAG. Many think that translation simply involves plugging an English word in for a Greek or Hebrew word, but there is so much more to the process. We should thank God every day for the translators who have brough God's Word to us in English! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 128333 | ||
Brother Tim; Once again I thank you, and as always I appreciate all your help in assisting my understanding of God's word. God Bless you friend New Creature |
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