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1 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | Brother Billy Joe | 74009 | ||
Are you advocating using Colossians 2:16-17 (taken out of context) to destroy the authority of the 10 commandments? In Zechariah 14:16-19 it states that the Feast of Tabernacles will be kept in the soon coming Kingdom of God when Christ will rule from Jerusalem. There is a CURSE promised in these verses for any nation who will not keep this HOLY SABBATH (or festival). The question for you my freind is this - are you willing to publicly deny and rebuke the 4th commandment of GOD (which as a result condemns the other 9) for the sake of one misquoted scripture? Brother in agape love please go back and read 1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin TRANSGRESSETH ALSO THE LAW: for sin is THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW" Thank GOD for the 10 commandments Brother Billy Joe |
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2 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 74027 | ||
Brother Billy Joe Break the Ten Commandments? May it never happen. Let's read the 4th commandment. Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [10] but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. [11] For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Did you attend church Saturday? Did the preacher preach? He was working. Did you drive? You were working. Did your wife fix dinner after service? She was working. The Sabbath isn't for worship it is for rest. Read it again. Now what did Jesus mean when He said He was Lord of the Sabbath? Jesus meant He was the Rest Giver He had fulfilled the Sabbath Rest once and for all. It is not that anyone is breaking the fourth commandment, the fourth commandment has been fulfulled for once and for all. Sunday is not the Sabbath nor is it a replacement for the Sabbath that is misteaching that started fairly late in church history. Sunday in the first century church was a day of celebration and worship on the day our Lord arose from the gave. That is what it should be today. To call it the Sabbath is an error, the Sabath wasn't changed it was fulfilled. EdB |
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3 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | Brother Billy Joe | 74049 | ||
Dear Friend Thank you for your response. As Asst. Pastor of the Alexandria Bible Tabernacle Fellowship I must speak out in defense of GOD's 7th Day Sabbath (and by implication all of GOD's Commandments). Sir, I will be brief. Is GOD's Sabbath Day (Sat) still binding on Christians or not? If not please give me the Bible scriptures that allows me to break it without commiting sin - 1 John 3:4. And if I do not have to keep the 4th Commandment then can I just as easily worship other gods, bow down to graven images, take the name of the LORD in vain, dishonor my Mother and Father, kill, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, and covet? And if on the other hand the 10 Commandments are sill binding and in full force then why do you resist and teach against them? In the beginning of your response you said "Break the Ten Commandments? May it never happen". However at the end of your statement you say "It is not that anyone is breaking the fourth commandment, the fourth commandment has been fulfulled for once and for all" Well Sir...which line of thought do you want to go with? It is either one way or the other. I state again - are the commandments in force or not? And in response to your statement "The Sabbath isn't for worship it is for rest" then I say you condem Christ and the Apostles because they went into the synagogues on "the Sabbath day" and taught in a religious service "as was thier custom" See. Matt. 4:23,Acts 18:4,John 18:20,Mark 6:2. I am sorry if I sound brazen and bold but I must not be ashamed of GOD or his laws and I have to speak out in defence of His wonderful Commandments. |
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4 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 74083 | ||
Brother Billy Joe With all due respect to your position I must say your focusing on the wrong things. Instead of looking at the Sabbath rest look at the Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus is the rest giver "Shiloh". Jesus repeatedly said the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Meaning God wanted man to rest one day in the seven and reflect on God who was still external to man. Jesus came so that we could have eternal life, abundant life and brought His rest for man. By proclaiming Himself Lord of the Sabbath Jesus showed He was fulfillment of the man's rest. In doing this He did not set aside any of the Ten Commandments but rather Jesus fulfilled one, the fourth the Sabbath rest. By accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior you now have your rest, it is in Christ Jesus. God is no longer external but rather internal dwelling in your heart and spirit. Once again read Exodus 20 8-11 notice it says rest do no work and keep it holy. This by definition limits what you do that day. Certainly eliminating food preparation, eating out, travel, going to church, visiting friends, watching TV. Yet I imagine you do nearly every one of those things on the Sabbath and complain at others for not keeping to the Sabbath. With respect to your position I ask you which in your eyes is more wrong. Accepting Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath Rest therefore fulfilling it and eliminating the need to keep it or saying we need to keep the Sabbath and then violate the very letter of the law? EdB |
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5 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | Taleb | 74166 | ||
EdB, I so appreciated your insight about this "question". I was wondering, when some are pushing observing the "Sabbath" on Saturdays, what do they do with all the other Sabbaths throughout the year? Do they observe them like they did in Old Testament, or like the Jews today? Like, if one of the Sabbaths that is on the first day of a given month happens to be a Tuesday, then they would have that day off. But they would have to work the next six days before the next Sabbath which made Tuesdays the Sabbath until another Sabbath would change it to whatever day the pre-chosen date happened to fall on. Does this make sense? Anyway, I was just wondering how they handle it? Peace to you and yours, Taleb |
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6 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 74194 | ||
Taleb I think the biggest problem here is from the Protestant church itself. Instead of correctly teaching on the Sabbath Rest and Sunday Celebration, they merely called Sunday a Sabbath. Then when people read keep the Sabbath they figured going to church on Sunday satisfied that. It was a dumbing down, people wanted the exciting stuff not the things they needed to know. Now they are beginning to question why/how did the Sabbath? When we made ‘ritual’ a dirty word, along with ‘Catechism’, and now many are trying to the do the same with the word ‘religion’. There are fundamental principals, law, statues, and precepts that need to be taught and understood by all that call themselves Christians. However no one is teaching them. In fact experts and seminarians are mocked and belittled. A person with a doctorate was once admired now many hold them in contempt as being brain washed. We have seen some of the craziest doctrine spoken by people that claim they use nothing but the Bible. They are right if you lift a verse here and verse there you can make the Bible say most anything you want it to say. Look at this forum you can present the truth to people over and over and they still say, “that not how I see it”. The Bible wasn’t given to give us a way to see it, it was given to give us the truth. The Old Testament is rich in moral laws that are desperately needed in our society today, however we have a church full of people that says we don’t have to keep those old ways we have liberty in Christ Jesus, while in fact they assume license not liberty. Bang!!!! That was me falling off my soapbox EdB |
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7 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | Taleb | 74198 | ||
EdB, please remember the promise concerning “when you fall – He WILL pick you up.” Hopefully, this will too. Are you a carpenter on the side? The reason I ask, you hit every nail square on the head. Not one bounced off, nor bent. They ALL were placed in their proper position. As I read your well thought out post, a song popped into my mind. When I was young in the Lord (eons ago), we put Scripture to music. (It really helps memorize huge portions, (sort of) and we easily remember songs and jingles.) Galatians 5’s song is what “played”. If I may, I want to stand fast on that soapbox of yours. I know it will hold me, because it is solid, firm and sturdy. “Stand fast therefore in the liberty, wherein Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again in bondage. Only use not liberty as an occasion to the flesh, but with love serve one another. For the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, goodness, temperance, meekness, faith, against such there is no law. Stand fast therefore in the liberty.” In tune, Taleb |
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8 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 74236 | ||
Taleb Scratch, groan!! That is me crawling back up on the soapbox. You touched on it let me expand. Hymns, they weren't invented for our entertainment, or to give us chill bumps, they were conceived as a way to help people memorize important doctrine and scripture. Today we have thrown the whole concept out of the church. Today we use choruses to get people in the "mood" to worship, to entertain, to give chill bumps. We will even do it as the expense of doctrine or right teaching. If you really listen to what many sing today it is horrifying. Some songs talk more about us and what we are going to do, instead of glorifying God we are glorifying ourselves. Other songs spend more time talking to Satan it makes one wonder are we here to praise and worship God or Satan? Others just have flat out bad theology. No one seems to care as long as the song has a nice beat, stirs emotions, and excites the physical. Many time you can ask someone do you believe what they just sang and they say yes then you tell them and their shocked. It is like they check their brain at the door when they walk into church. Walk into most churches and suggest a hymn and listen to the moans, and comments like that is old time. Hymns have been around through nearly all the transitions of music and have remained unique until the last 30-50 years, now they have become “old time.” Notice also the church has dumbed down during the same period. In and effort to avoid “religion” and get something “fresh” we have lost the fundamentals that may the faith so precious. Now every wind of doctrine prevails and people believes what seems right in their mind. What a tragedy people are being deceived because we want the new, the fresh, who cares if it right as long as it sounds good. Thud! That was me getting off my box. EdB |
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9 | To obey or not to obey ! | Bible general Archive 1 | Taleb | 74237 | ||
EdB, Amen and Amen. You're "singing my tune". While visiting a church awhile ago I approached a soloist, after the service, to compliment her on the powerful message of her song. She glared at me and said, "Look Bucko, it's only a song." She stormed away. I still don't know who or what a bucko is suppose to be. Another time, another church, the long "worship-time" (?) only consisted of songs like "I've got a mansion"; "When we all get to heaven". It causes one to make time to keep time with Him. No pun intended. :) Taleb |
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