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1 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 61996 | ||
Greetings John! Forgive me if I wasn't as clear as I should have been! It was late for me! :-) So, allow me to attempt this again. You said in your post: "All that are drawn are taught and all that are taught come to Jesus." The primary difficulty with this statement is that it has turned active voice verbs into passive voice verbs. John 6:45 says, "It is written in the Prophets: ?They will all be taught by God.? Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me." The second verbal phrase is a quote from Is. 54:13. However, the Greek text does not actually include a verb at all. It has been translated as a passive, and I believe rightly so. However, note that this phrase says that 'all' will be taught by God. It does not limit it to only some. The third and fourth verbal phrases however do contain actual verbs, and they are both active in voice, not passive. This last clause literally reads: "All who have heard and have learned come to me." The active voice involves an act of will. These individuals have made an active decision to listen and to learn, after which they come to Jesus. If John had intended for this to be a passive meaning, he would have used the passive form, which would have read: "All who have heard (passive form)from the Father and have been taught (passive form) come to me." However, this isn't the form used. So, based upon my understanding of Greek, your exgesis is faulty because it turns active voices into passive voices. Thus, the meaning of John 6:45 is not that "all who are taught" come to Jesus, but that "all who listen or respond" to what "all" are taught by the Father will come to Jesus. The grumblers refused to listen, thus, they did not come. I hope this clarifies what I was attempting to say this morning my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 62024 | ||
Tim, your exegesis, which I too have long held to be correct, is like a breath of fresh air. Always we must let the Bible speak what it speaks, and listen to what it actually says. Dilution, adulteration or interpretive error of God's pure truth in some vain effort to force it to fit neatly into this or that so-called "theological system" or denominational bias always leads to error of one sort or another. One would be well advised to be wary of trying to "prove" a purely denominational point or bias by Scripture. Is it not more desirable to be less mindful of trying to "prove" anything in favor of letting the Bible do its own job of "proving." The Bible is far more capable of speaking the truth without any trace of error than we poor mortals ever shall be. --Hank | ||||||
3 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 62025 | ||
Hank AMEN!!!!!! Tim most excellent!!!!!!! EdB |
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