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1 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 61846 | ||
Hello Pastor, Jesus when tempted in the wilderness did answer satan with Scripture and He knew exactly the right verses to choose. We, on the other hand, are not Jesus. So, we may use verses that do not always apply to the circumstance we are facing. The context of the verse, as you know, is of the utmost importance in correctly interpreting and choosing the right verse. Let's look at the verses that surround John 6:44 as well : John 6:42 They were saying, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, 'I have come down out of heaven'?" John 6:43 Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD. 'Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. Who was Jesus speaking to when He said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves.(John 6:43)? He was speaking to a crowd of Jews that did not like what Jesus had just said about Himself being the bread of life that came down from Heaven. (John 6:41) So Jesus seeing their bad attitude of unbelief and hostility answered by telling them: "Do not grumble among yourselves, No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; ". Jesus then quotes from the OT telling the grumblers "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Now we know that when Jesus speaks He does so for a good reason, so why did He choose Isaiah 54:13? Because Isaiah 54 speaks of the restoration His chosen people to God. Jesus then explains the meaning of the verse to them: "Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me." Therefore, it seems clear that Jesus is telling them that their grumbling is a sign that they have not been have NOT been "TAUGHT OF GOD". Those who are taught by God are those who come to Jesus. Brother Glenn, I have given you my interpretation only, and if you feel that I have twisted it (even accidentally) please show me my mistake. Your Brother in Christ, John |
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2 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Pastor Glenn | 61862 | ||
John, Here is what I said concerning John 6:44, "It is not God’s plan or will that any should perish. John 6:44 means that God has to touch a person's heart to draw them to Jesus. However, that does not mean that they must respond to God's drawing. Also they may be drawn to Jesus, but later they turn away. (See the parable of the sower Mat 13:18-23) " I do not see a conflict with what you said here, "Jesus then explains the meaning of the verse to them: "Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me." Therefore, it seems clear that Jesus is telling them that their grumbling is a sign that they have not been have NOT been "TAUGHT OF GOD". Those who are taught by God are those who come to Jesus. " Those that are "TAUGHT OF GOD" are taught by the Holy Ghost. Is there a conflict in what we are saying? God bless, Pastor Glenn |
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3 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 61868 | ||
Pastor Glenn, The grumbling jews were not taught by the Holy Ghost, because Jesus said that those who are taught by God come to Him. The grumblers did not come. Therefore, they were not taught. Why? Because they were not drawn by the Father. All that the Father draws come to Jesus because they are the ones The Holy Ghost has taught! I know that it sounds like we are going aroun in a circle so let me try to put it in a straight line. Jesus is God. So God the Son is speaking to a crowd of people. Some understand that His words are life (Peter for one, and some others) and are taught. The majority do not understand and say instead "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, 'I have come down out of heaven'?". They do not understand and so they have not been taught. Jesus then tells them that they cannot come to Him unless The Father draws them. The crowd, with a few exceptions turn away from Jesus and depart. Thereby proving that they were not drawn. All that are drawn are taught and all that are taught come to Jesus. John |
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4 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Pastor Glenn | 61873 | ||
John, You said, "...The crowd, with a few exceptions turn away from Jesus and depart. Thereby proving that they were not drawn. All that are drawn are taught and all that are taught come to Jesus. " Now I see where we differ. I said, all that are drawn may not always stay. But you are saying if they do not stay then they were not really "drawn". Do you equate "drawn" with "born again"? How do you come to that conclusion from this scripture seeing that Judas Iscariot was still with them? God bless, Pastor Glenn |
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5 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 61880 | ||
Dear Pastor Glenn, You aked me "Do you equate "drawn" with "born again"?" Yes I do. The reason I do is because Jesus said "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day ".(John 6:44) Now the Greek word according to Strong's is for "Draw" is helkuo which means "to draw or to drag off". Dragging is not a means of persuasion! The same greek word "helkuo" is also used in Act 16:19 "And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew (dragged) them into the marketplace unto the rulers,". (My parenthesis) As far as Judas goes, Jesus knew that from the the begnning that Judas was a "son of his father the devil". He was not different than alot of people who "say" they are followers of Christ but the truth is not in them. John |
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6 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Pastor Glenn | 61888 | ||
John, You said, "Yes I do. The reason I do is because Jesus said "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day ".(John 6:44) " Now John that kind of throws a monkey wrench into my argument FOR the possibility of falling away after first being drawn! Ouch. Then You said, "As far as Judas goes, Jesus knew that from the the begnning that Judas was a "son of his father the devil". He was not different than alot of people who "say" they are followers of Christ but the truth is not in them. " But you already said, "...The crowd, with a few exceptions turn away from Jesus and depart. Thereby proving that they were not drawn. All that are drawn are taught and all that are taught come to Jesus. " So how do you deal with Judas' falling away seeing that he did not leave with the crowd. But he stayed to be taught. Now, here is a scripture that should put a monkey wrench into your argument of "All that are drawn are taught and all that are taught come to Jesus. ", Heb 6:4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6if they fall away,[2] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Doesn’t this support my argument FOR the possibility of falling away after first being drawn! God Bless, Pastor Glenn |
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7 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 61897 | ||
Hi Pastor, In reply to my answer ("Yes I do. The reason I do is because Jesus said "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day " which " threw in the monkey wrench. You asked: "So how do you deal with Judas' falling away seeing that he did not leave with the crowd. But he stayed to be taught." Judas did not fall away from belief in Christ because he never had belief in Christ. Jesus in referring to Judas said: " "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?". Notice that Jesus says "is a devil". That tells us that, right then and there, one of the twelve (Judas) was a son of Satan and not a son of God! Jesus did choose the twelve to be His disciples but it does not mean all were saved. You concluded by saying "Now, here is a scripture that should put a monkey wrench into your argument of "All that are drawn are taught and all that are taught come to Jesus." And the monkey wrench you say is: Heb 6:4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6if they fall away,[2] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Before I go on I would like to know if you were conviced by my arguement on John 6:44 or merely stumped to find an answer. God Bless Pastor, John |
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8 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Pastor Glenn | 61899 | ||
John, Your argument on John 6:44 does appear to have some merit until to slams into Hebrews 6:4-6. Are these scriptures contradicting each other? When there appears to be a contradiction it is always the interpretation or application of one of the scriptures that is wrong. For example Satan said, Mat 4:6and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: "He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, "In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone."'[Psalm 91:11-12] 7Jesus said to him, "It is written again, "You shall not tempt the LORD your God."'[Deuteronomy 6:16] No we are not Jesus, but we need to understand by studying and praying about the methods used for proper interpretation. Yes, context is important, but so is the referencing of related scripture. God Bless, Pastor Glenn |
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9 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 61900 | ||
Hi Pastor Glenn, You made some excellent points. 1."Your argument on John 6:44 does appear to have some merit until to slams into Hebrews 6:4-6" 2. "we need to understand by studying and praying about the methods used for proper interpretation. Yes, context is important, but so is the referencing of related scripture. Now we know that Scripture does not contradict itself. Therefore John 6:44 and Heb 6:4 are both correct. The question is how do we reconcile them with each other? We also know that some verses are clearer and easier to understand than others. You said that my interpretation of John 6:44 "has some merit". Why do you say some merit? Putting aside for the moment any other related verses and focusing strictly on the context of 6:44, can you honestly say that it means something other than what my interpetation said it meant? If so please tell me. I am not perfect and if you can show me where I missed the mark, I will re-examine my conclusion. I am not asking you to disregard any verses that may bring into question my interpretation, but to put them on hold for the moment. I just want to be sure that you don't have any objections based on the context alone, before we move on to Hebrews 6:4 Is that OK with you? John |
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10 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Pastor Glenn | 61910 | ||
John, What I said was, John 6:44 does appear to have some merit until it slams into Hebrews 6:4-6. I still beleive: It is not God’s plan or will that any should perish. John 6:44 means that God has to touch a person's heart to draw them to Jesus. However, that does not mean that they must respond to God's drawing. Also they may be drawn to Jesus, but later they turn away. God truly wanted the religious leaders (the builders) to accept the Chief corner stone. But since they chose to reject Him, then the Father rejected them also. They chose to see Him as only a mere man without deity. Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone. This was the LORD's doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes'?[21:42 Psalm 118:22, 23] Acts 4:11 This is the "stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.'[4:11 Psalm 118:22] 1 Peter 2:6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame."[2:6 Isaiah 28:16] 1 Peter 2:7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,[2:7 NU-Text reads [to those who disbelieve.] ] "The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,"[2:7 NU-Text reads [to those who disbelieve.] ] This is all that I can see in this context. God bless, Pastor Glenn |
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11 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scripture | 61970 | ||
Hebrews 6:4-6 is speaking about un-saved Jews and not saved ones (Hendriksen's COmmentary here is excellent). The ones that are not saved do not have the proper soil to accept the Word of God (Parable of the Sower). If God does not desire anyone to perish He sure is very weak, for many are lost. This does not seem like the God of all the universe to me? THe text of the verse you are using is not saying what you are implying. You spoke of God desiring the religious leaders at accept the Chief Corner Stone, but then you quoted Matt 21:42 which refuted what you wrote "This was the LORD's doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes'" |
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12 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 61986 | ||
How do the unsaved become partakers of the Holy Ghost? retxar |
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13 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 61990 | ||
Dear Retxar, An unbeliever may partake of the Holy Spirit through fellowship with christians. That is, he may experience graces such as love, peace and joy in a promiscuous sense. In other words, he may find himself welcomed by these people who extend to him the grace which is in them and he may feel warmed and loved by their affection. I do not think that partaking must mean the same as indwelling. 1 Cor 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be! Paul is warning the corinthians that for a christian to sin sexually with a prostitute would make the christian one with her and that since he is a member of the body of Christ, that in some way makes the prostitute a partaker also. It would defile the body of Christ. John Reformed |
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14 | God is in control of every single atom? | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 62042 | ||
OK, maybe partaking of the Holy Spirit does not have to mean the same as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, as you say. I believe God can, and does, use the peace and joy unbelievers enjoy when they fellowship with Christians to draw them to Himself. However, this principle is a major stretch to apply to what Heb6 is talking about. Heb6 is speaking of true believers (whether hypothetical or actual). Otherwise how could a non-believer be renewed AGAIN unto repentance if no repentance has ever occurred? retxar |
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