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1 | Sola Scriptura supported by bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 48462 | ||
Greetings Dschaertel! In this case, I would go back to the oldest Canon list established by the Church, which was in the fourth century. The RCC Canon list came over 1,100 years later. The early lists were all in basic agreement and used similar critieria. The problem I have with the RCC list is which 'Church' was right, the one in the late 300's or the one in the 1500's? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Sola Scriptura supported by bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | dschaertel | 48478 | ||
" The early lists were all in basic agreement and used similar critieria. The problem I have with the RCC list is which 'Church' was right, the one in the late 300's or the one in the 1500's? " I think that there were no fewer than 3 councils that had canon lists in the 4th century. They didn't all agree, so which one do you mean? Also, the first church historian, Eusebius,did not consider Revelation to be scripture, he didn't even believe that it was written by the apostle John. Jude was a book that was in some lists and not in others, Hebrews as well. In fact, Hebrews, by todays standards for canonization doesn't make the cut because we don't know the author. As I mentioned before, there were different version of the Old Testament as well depending on if you were of the Palestinian or Alexandrian persuasion. You say that these apocryphal books were not recognized, and I agree people disagred about it. But the simple fact that it was in the scriptures says that it wasn't some kind of fly by night fad. Especially when Jerome himself didn't recognize them as being inspired. He still incuded them in the Vulgate. Somebody thought they belonged there. It may have a lot to do with the fact that they were in the Septuagint. But my point is that people look through rose colored glasses. There wasn't all this automatic agreement that people seem to think. I think that people have trouble dealing with ambiguity. They don't like the idea that there isn't some kind of solid "correct" list that has God's stamp on it. So they deny the truth. You see, if the Bible is your God, it must be everything you want it to be. If Christ is your God, as long as it points to him, it's good enough. |
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3 | Sola Scriptura supported by bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 48492 | ||
Greetings! I'll have to find the actual lists, but I know that they were in substantial agreement. There were some minor differences, but more agreement than not and none of them were the same as the 1500 RCC list. Your argment though is that the church has the authority to decide which are canonical, so which would be more authoritative - the oldest canon or one which was drawn up 1500 years after the fact? You wrote: "You see, if the Bible is your God, it must be everything you want it to be. If Christ is your God, as long as it points to him, it's good enough." There are two major problems with these statements. First, the Bible isn't anyone's God. I believe that the Bible is God's self-revelation to us - nothing more and nothing less. As God's self-revelation, it is authorative in a way that other writtings are not. Secondly, not everything which points to Christ is factual. God-breathed writtings are not in error. That is why all of us make distinctions between valid writings and those which are not! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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