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1 | Sola Scriptura supported by bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | dschaertel | 48305 | ||
"The classical Protestant understanding is that there is ONE tradition, first oral and then written down as an infallible standard for the post-apostolic church" And just where do you get that from? Can you give chapter and verse? Or is it human tradition? "In other words, the church is not infallible (if you think that it is, please show me where the Bible says THAT)" Paul makes no claim that the church is without error but he does regard it as being the foundation of truth. You may note the absence of the word Bible here. Paul doesn't say refer to the scriptures. 1Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. "that at no time has the church been free from the possibility of error. " I don't think you understand what infallibility is. It doesn't mean that we are without error. It does mean that the church has authority to determine what is truth. We must have this, or we have nothing. |
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2 | Sola Scriptura supported by bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 48335 | ||
May I please offer a little suggestion? It would seem that before you proceed, you might do well to lay aside whatever other references you may be using, pick up a copy of a good dictionary, and learn from it the meaning and usage of the word 'infallible.' If the Roman church or any other church were truly infallible, there would not, it seems to me, exist any necessity to revise and update their dogma every so often. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Sola Scriptura supported by bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | dschaertel | 48368 | ||
"If the Roman church or any other church were truly infallible, there would not, it seems to me, exist any necessity to revise and update their dogma every so often" If this is true, then how can one place their faith in protestantism, since there exists some 30,000 plus different denominations, all claiming to believe in the truth. If we should rely only on the Bible, and the Bible is infallible, how can their be so many different interpretations? What makes your beliefs correct vs. anybody elses? Maybe the dictionary doesn't capture the actual usage of the word, which isn't unusual, but the church never claimed that every belief within it's walls is true. What it does claim is that when for whatever reason there needs to be a decision regarding doctrine, the decision that the church makes is the right one. It is the right one only because it is the decision of the church. This is the authority that Jesus gave to the church. Infallibility is more about being authoritative, then being correct. It is kind of like going to someone else's house. Maybe you think they do things wrong, but in their house, they are right, because it is their house. |
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4 | Sola Scriptura supported by bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 48376 | ||
For someone who claims not to be a Roman Catholic, you certainly seem to be quite adept at putting forward the standard line on the Mother Church's authority. You wrote: "Maybe the dictionary doesn't capture the actual usage of the word, which isn't unusual, but the church never claimed that every belief within it's walls is true." I am sorry, but you are simply wrong here. What the RCC declares is that the pope, when making pronouncements ex cathedra, is INCAPABLE of error. Infallible for the RCC means just what the dictionary says it does. You wrote: "What it does claim is that when for whatever reason there needs to be a decision regarding doctrine, the decision that the church makes is the right one. It is the right one only because it is the decision of the church. This is the authority that Jesus gave to the church." Where do you find the authority given to the church to DEFINE the difference between right and wrong doctrine? That is the question you never seem to directly answer. You wrote: "Infallibility is more about being authoritative, then being correct. It is kind of like going to someone else's house. Maybe you think they do things wrong, but in their house, they are right, because it is their house." Again, are you honestly saying that God's revealed truth is not absolute, but we must believe what the RCC says, no matter how much it flies in the face of the will of God? --Joe! |
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