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1 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 42567 | ||
Hello Joe, I can see there is no need in debating this with you because you have been blinded by the Calvinist viewpoint. But let me say that as adults we are all sinners. Rom. 3:23 The first sin that was ever committed was by Adam and Eve. Eve first then Adam was decieved by satan. But we DO NOT inherit sin in this case "Original sin" from the sin that Adam committed. This is not biblical and the verse that you point out is from a prayer that David offered up to God for Him to forgive David his sins. But because of sin there is death and that is all. Look at this verse, Romans 5 Death in Adam, Life in Christ (1) 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and DEATH THROUGH SIN, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-- Now read this next part carefully, 13(For UNTIL THE LAW sin was in the world, but SIN IS NOT IMPUTED WHERE THERE IS NO LAW. Therefore the need for the Ten Commandments. So the people would know and be able to read and understand for themselves. We are not judged by what Adam and Eve did! You cannot show me a verse that says this. But you might find it interesting that the bible does say that each man is accountable for himself, Ezekiel 18 20 "The person who (1) sins will die. The (2) son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the (3) righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. So by this you can see that you view of "original sin" is in direct contridiction of what the bible teaches. For sin is when we transgress the law of God and not just by being born. 1 John 3 4 Whosoever COMMITTETH sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. If on the other hand had it been like you say then David could not have made this statment about his son that died. 2 Samuel 12 22And he said, "While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, "Who can tell whether the LORD[1] will be gracious to me, that the child may live?' 23But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I SHALL GO TO HIM, BUT HE SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME." David was stating the fact that his son was in the arms of the Heavenly Father. These scriptures that I have shown would also show that "total depravity" is also not biblical. Anybody that can look into the eyes of their newborn baby and believe that it is "defiled" ,"depraved", covered in sin and utterly without hope unless they are sprinkled with a few drops of water has got some serious issues and needs to seek guidence!! Raven!! |
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2 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 42596 | ||
Greetings Raven! In his post, Joe mentioned Ps. 51:5. You dismissed that verse with the following comment: "This is not biblical and the verse that you point out is from a prayer that David offered up to God for Him to forgive David his sins." However, your comment does not deal with the substance of the verse my friend. David says in his prayer (which is part of inspired Scripture): "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." (Ps. 51:5) David doesn't say that he became sinful as an adult. He doesn't even say that he only became sinful at birth. Rather, he says that he was sinful from the moment of conception. How then can you say that we don't inherit a sinful nature? If you look up my posts on the age of accountablity, you will find that I believe orginal sin was atoned for at the Cross, but Scripture is clear that we are sinners from even conception. I also happen to be the father of five. So, I have lots of experience with babies. I can tell you from experience that babies have a sin nature. Haven't you ever seen the little one who, when told not to do something, simles at you and does it anyway? :-) Clearly, even children have a sin nature. Just for a side note, even lawmakers have come to recognize this fact. Here is a comment from a Minnesota Crime Commission report: **************************************** Minnesota Crime Commission Report "Every baby starts life as a little savage. He is completely selfish and self-centered. He wants what he wants when he wants it - his bottle, his mother’s attention, his playmate’s toy, his uncle’s watch. Deny him these wants, and he seethes with rage and aggressiveness, which would be murderous, were he not so helpless. He is dirty. He has no morals, no knowledge, no skills. This means that all children, not just certain children, are born delinquent. If permitted to continue in the self-centered world of his infancy, given free reign to his impulsive actions to satisfy his wants, every child would grow up a criminal, a thief, a killer, a rapist." Robinson, Haddon W. Biblical Preaching: The Development and Delivery of Expository Messages. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1980, p. 145. ********************************************** This is in full accord with what Scripture says about humanity apart from Christ! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 42606 | ||
Tim, Please show me a scripture that teaches how babies are to be saved. If we stay with your view point that belief is all that is needed for salvation, then tell me what infant you know of that is intellegent enough to understand this? Are you saying that all babies that die are destined for Hell? All I am asking for is a scripture that shows a conversion of a baby or even a child. For if it is as you say, that we are born sinners, then God would have made laws and commandments to take care of us. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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4 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 42624 | ||
Greetings Raven! If you search for my posts on the age of accountability, you will find detailed explanations of my view. I'm not trying to blow you off, but I've got to get to bed so I can go to work tonight. If you any questions about those posts, I would be happy to discuss them with you. The short version is simply this: Christ atoned for all sin on the cross - past, present, and future. So, babies are not born guilty, but they are born with a sin nature. Once they reach the point where they can choose wrong, they become guilty as well. So, infants are covered by God's grace until they can decide. By the way, I lost a 9 month old son almost 15 years ago. I fully believe that he is waiting for me in Heaven. :-) There are two different approaches to original sin. One says that we are born both with a sin nature and guilt. The other says that we are born with a sin nature, but no guilt until we actually sin ourselves. Either way, they both say that we are born with a sin nature, even infants. Your Brother and Friend in Christ, Tim Moran |
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