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1 | Does this explain Trinity? | Bible general Archive 1 | Elijah | 4301 | ||
God the father is the only true God there is (1 Corinthians 8:6), Jesus being in the image of God and having the authority of God is allowed to be God in only a sense. The Bible explains this very well in the first part of John. In John 1:1 it states, "In the beginning was the Word," okay lets start there, we all agree that the Word is Jesus, so, Jesus was there in the beginning, but the beginning of what? In genesis it states the GOD created the Heavens and the earth, so the beginning is the beginning of the heavens and the earth. But the word also states that Jesus is the Firstborn of ALL creation in Col. 1:15, well if he is the firstborn, firstborn means that Jesus was the First to be created, the only true one to be actually created by God Himself. So thus he can't be God, because we all know that God is not created. Continuing on, "And the Word was with God," Now just a minute, if Jesus is God, then how can He be with himself, the answer is he can't. People who believe in the Trinity believe that God is three in one, each person of the trinity being equal to each other in all aspects, but in John 14:28, Jesus himself says that the Father is greater than He is, so thus by Jesus' own words, he himself makes the trinity out to be a lie. Now in John 17:11 and 22 Jesus prays to God that we may be one as there are one, and in John 10:30 it states that Jesus and God are one, but what does this truly mean, does it mean that we can be part of the trinity, well no of course not, it means that Jesus is not God, and we are not God, but are one with God, one in unity with God, in other words we strive to do the will of God, and that is the same for Jesus, HE strives to do the will of God too, and in doing so Him and us are one with God in that we are all striving for the very same thing. We are all in unity with God. Going on, "And the word was God." Well here's where it has caused all the problem to begin with. It says that "the Word was God", well it says it that way, because like I said in the beginning, Jesus is only GOD in a sense, He is not God, but has ALL the AUTHORITY to ACT as God, just like a father and son here on earth, A son can ACT with all authority of the father because the father has told him and taught him what to do, so in a sense the son is the father, but the father is not the son. Hence this is the way it is with Jesus and the Heavenly Father. Therefore, finally, to answer the question, We've never seen God, flesh or otherwise, but have seen God's only begotten son, who came in the flesh, being the visible image of the invisible God (Col. 1:15) so we have seen God only in a sense of the word, we have seen everything we can of God, nature, the burning bush, his son, each other (we to are created in the image of God), without actually seeing God himself. So as Romans 1:20 says, we have absolutely no excuse for not knowing who the TRUE GOD IS, So I ask you who should one believe, God’s own son, the only true teacher, or the men who came up with the Trinity doctrine | ||||||
2 | Does this explain Trinity? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 4345 | ||
The Trinity is indeed a biblical doctrine, and is attested to and developed throughout the entire Old and New Testaments. The proper formulation of the Trinity is that there is one God; the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God; however, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father. An excellent introductory work on the subject of the Trinity is _The Forgotten Trinity_, by James R. White. It covers a good deal of the biblical basis of this theological truth, and also traces the history of how it became codified in church councils as how God reveals himself in Scripture. Just as a follow-up question, according to Genesis 1:1, John 1:3, and Colossians 1 and Hebrews 1, who is the creator, God or Christ? I would be interested in hearing how a non-Trinitarian viewpoint addresses these passages. Thanks! |
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3 | Does this explain Trinity? | Bible general Archive 1 | Elijah | 4453 | ||
All those were answered in what was written, Please reread it again with an open mind | ||||||
4 | Does this explain Trinity? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 4456 | ||
I did re-read it, and the question I asked was NOT address in what you said. According to Hebrews 1:8, who is God calling "God"? And according to Hebrews 1:10, what did the Lord Jesus do? Speaking of Christ, John writes "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." NOTHING came into being apart from Christ. If Christ is a part of creation, then this verse testifies that Christ created himself, which is illogical nonsense. So, who is the creator, God (Genesis 1:1) or Christ as we see in the verses above? The answer is Trinitarian. Colossians 1:16 does indeed say that Christ is "the image of the invisible God," which loses a lot of its theological punch if that just means that he reveals attributes of his creator. After all, you yourself said that we were made in the image of God. Why would Paul need to make the point if what he was intending to say is that Christ is just like us in this respect. By the way, this understanding of Christ's representing God's nature simply does not jibe with the context of Paul's extended treatment of Christ's nature in Colossians 1. The idea that "Jesus being in the image of God and having the authority of God is allowed to be God in only a sense" contradicts every monotheistic passage in the Bible as well. How many God's are there is God the Father "lets" Jesus (an entirely separate being in your view) have the attributes of deity? In addition, the term translated "firstborn" in many translations does not necessarily mean the first one out of the womb. If can also mean "heir," or the one possessing the birthright. We see this in the Old Testament where Isaac was the heir of God's promise to Abraham, even though he was not the oldest; and how Jacob received the blessing, not Esau; and how Solomon became David's successor even though HE was not the oldest. In the same way, taken in context with the rest of Scripture (such as John 1:3 above and the two verses following Colossians 1:15 -- CONTEXT), Jesus is the uncreated heir of all things. I AM being open-minded, Elijah, and I think that you should be open-minded enough to question why in 2000 years that the unique view of Christ presented in your post has hardly ever been articulated, if indeed it ever has. Also, I would suggest you being open-minded enough to check out the book I recommended in my previous post, since the ironclad arguments for the Trinity are much too numerous to present in a bulletin-board format. If you have responses to White's thorough analysis of the Trinity which takes into account the entire body of Scripture, I will be more than happy to look at them with an open-mind! --Joe! |
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