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1 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | Hecameforu | 33720 | ||
Hello Curt, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out". I think maybe this is divine Sovereignty and human responsibility. The Father gives men and women to the Son and Jesus will not cast those out who come to him but they must believe in him. I don't believe that everyone that is drawn to Jesus, accepts Jesus as their Savior. Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" Did not God Foreknow everyone? Of course he did, so then everyone is also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son. It is the Holy Spirit that tugs at man's heart. Jesus said: "behold, I stand at the door and knock" it is then up to each individual to "hear" that knock and "open" the door. This cannot be for the believer because Jesus is already in the believer, supping with him. I think the thing is, it's not how a person gets to the point of Salvation but if indeed they are saved, if indeed one did accept Jesus into their heart. God bless! Barry |
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2 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | Curtnsally | 33751 | ||
Thanks Brother Barry, Picking up your thought... In John 15:16, Jesus says, "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name." Jesus says specifically that we did not choose Him. If "the elect" is everyone, then what does the following verse mean? Matthew 24:31 "And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." So is every human saved? I know you are not a universalist! When Jesus knocks, do we respond from our own heart? Romans 3:11 There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. When Jesus knocks, we hear Him because He give us ears to hear... You are right, it is the Holy Spirit that tugs at our heart, and He gives us a heart for Him. We ouselves cannot desire Him on our own. In the final analysis, you are correct when you say, "it's not how a person gets to the point of Salvation but if indeed they are saved, if indeed one did accept Jesus into their heart." After being chosen, of course. (ok, a little dogmatic, lol) Blessings Curt |
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