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1 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | Curtnsally | 33592 | ||
Greetings all: Can we focus on verses 10-15 as a starting point? I'll jump in with the Curt Amplified Version, if you will tolerate it. Feel free to join in at will! Romans 9 10 Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand: (God had chosen Jacob over Esau before they were born, before either had acted on their sinful nature, to show us mortals that "election" was really election) 12 not by works but by him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." (His call is all, our response is zero) 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! (because we are all sinners, and all deserve condemnation, so who can complain?) 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (God is sovereign... He gets to decide who is elect... period) 16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. (our desire for God and our works mean nothing in terms of salvation. God, in His mercy chooses us, period). Ok, folks... what think ye? Curt |
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2 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | wak | 33629 | ||
Curt OK, so using your conclusion of Romans 9 and just forgetting other sections and hundrends of non-qualifing verses (If your ELECTED, I will answer the door???)... then your saying: there is only a narrow elect.... all others are doomed to hell for eternity WHATEVER their desire to know God is ??? If that's the case, then for heavens sake, why are they are called the Gospels?. That's Terrible News! Hell, Atheism is more uplifting than that! Curt, nothing personal, just my opinion based on the very clear,often-repeated, simple, overall message of the NT... God is there for ALL who ask. WAK |
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3 | Thoughts on Romans 9 | Bible general Archive 1 | Curtnsally | 33636 | ||
Who said anything about narrow? We have no evidence to show that God's mercy is narrow. Yes, everyone is doomed to Hell, except for the saving grace of God. The good news is this: There IS a saving grace of God! You speak in generalities, but you have yet to offer your views on these verses Romans 9. What do they mean? I struggle with this, as you do. The reason I opened this discussion was to think it through together... not to confirm what I want to believe, but to try to see what God is saying to us. These Scriptures are in the Bible and are worthy of our study. To respond to your closing opinion, perhaps God invites all? or at least most? do we know? Blessings, Curt |
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