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1 | What do you base your belief on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 12937 | ||
John Paul II (1978 to present), our current Pope is the 265th, with Peter (years 32 to 67) being the first. The second Pope, Linus (67 to 76 or 79), is thought to be the same Linus, Timothy refered to in 2 Timothy 4:21. The Church recognizes 30 antipopes. An antipope is a false claimant of the Holy See in opposition to a pontiff canonically elected. First, why Rome for the location of the Church. Peters final years were spent in Rome, or more specifically, in an area known as Ager Vaticanus. This area did not belong to ancient Rome, nor was it built within the walls of Rome. This is were Peter died and was buried. This simply became the physical center of the Church. When Peter lead the Church, he created a Senate consistng of 24 priests and deacons - this is documented. One of the roles of this Senate was to elect the new Pope - with Linus being the first Pope elected by men. Over time, the Senate structure while having taken different shapes - has remained constant. Keep in mind, Peter gave formal organizational structure to the Church. This is important, because this is the correcting factor when the office of the Pope was occupied by a man who was more interested in this world, than in heaven. It is through this election of the Pope by the Senate (College of Cardinals), this formal organization created by Peter, which enables us to discern who the properly elected pontiffs were as opposed to the antipopes, who, at the same time, were claiming the Church. How do we know Peter was choosen by Jesus to head his Church. Three reasons: first, Matthew 16:17-19, And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church Second: In numerous references within the Bible, when Jesus spoke to the Apostles as a group, He directed His conversation to Peter Mathew 26:40 - And He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, "So, you men could not keep watch with Me for one hour? Third, on various occasions Peter speaks in the name of the other Apostles (Matthew 15:15; 19:27; Luke 12:41, etc.). Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" Is there anyplace in the Bible where Jesus flat out said 'Peter - your the first Pope', no. It is not the strength or depth of the discussion between Jesus and Peter, it is the fact that it was Peter acting as the representative head of the Apostles with Jesus. Did Jesus intend for Peter to be the head of the Church, or did Peter just assume this role. I believe Jesus selected Peter. |
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2 | Documented?? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 13499 | ||
Brian" You wrote: "When Peter lead the Church, he created a Senate consistng of 24 priests and deacons - this is documented. One of the roles of this Senate was to elect the new Pope - with Linus being the first Pope elected by men." Exactly where is this documented? --Joe! |
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3 | Documented?? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 13634 | ||
Lucius Ferraris An eighteenth-century canonist of the Franciscan Order. The exact dates of his birth and death are unknown, but he was born at Solero, near Alessandria in Northern Italy. He was also professor, provincial of his order, and consultor of the Holy Office. It would seem he died before 1763. He is the author of the "Prompta Bibliotheca canonica, juridica, moralis, theologica, necnon ascetica, polemica, rubricistica, historica", a veritable encyclopedia of religious knowledge. The first edition of this work appeared at Bologna, in 1746. A second edition, much enlarged, also a third, were published by the author himself. The fourth edition, dating from 1763 seems to have been published after his death. This, like those which followed it, contains the additions which the author had made to the second edition under the title of additiones auctoris, and also other enlargements (additiones ex aliena manu) inserted in their respective places in the body of the work (and no longer in the appendix as in the former editions) and supplements. The various editions thus differ from each of her. The most recent are: that of the Benedictines (Naples, 1844-55), reproduced by Migne (Paris, 1861-1863), and an edition published at Paris 1884. A new edition was published at Rome in 1899 at the press of the Propaganda in eight volumes, with a volume of supplements, edited by the Jesuit, Bucceroni, containing several dissertations and the recent and important documents of the Holy See. This supplement serves to keep up to date the work of Ferraris, which will ever remain a precious mine of information, although it is sometimes possible to reproach the author with laxism |
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4 | Early church support for Peter as Pope? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 13675 | ||
Okay, I was hoping for something a milennium and a half closer to the events themselves. Someone in the eighteenth century claiming that such a "papal senate" was formed carries no more weight than you telling it to me. What were HIS sources for making this statement? Thanks. --Joe! |
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5 | Early church support for Peter as Pope? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 13685 | ||
How much farther are you planning on taking this debate. I have been insulted My Church has been mocked And any I answer, is never adequate. So, what more do you want from me. |
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6 | Early church support for Peter as Pope? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 13698 | ||
Ah! the smell of blood! Brian you ask, “what more do they want?” A pound of flesh you “pious little Catholic!” (As Brian has previously been defined) We love our enemies but we eat fellow Christians for lunch. I imagine Jesus is so proud of the displays we put forth on this forum. We sure show the world what Christian love is all about. Rejoice, we caused a pious little Catholic to cry uncle, because he buys what his church leadership tells him. | ||||||
7 | Early church support for Peter as Pope? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 13727 | ||
How melodramatic, Ed. I am so glad we live in a society where "tolerance" means that we can't even ask for evidence to support a claim made on a public forum without getting mealy-mouthed ecumenism from all sides. The forum is for debate. In no way have I acted in a mean-spirited fashion toward Brian nor anyone else with whom I disagree. O, for some discernment in the American church! (Curtain falls.) --Joe! P.S. Brian has demonstrated that he rejects completely justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Does that still make him a Christian? |
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8 | Early church support for Peter as Pope? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 13743 | ||
Good question, Joe, and one worth discussing.. If someone says that they believe in Jesus Christ but do not have their faith in Christ alone, then are they truly Christian? I would say 'No', and this is why: Christ should be the very center of our faith!! And nothing else (including tradition, etc..) should have the privilege of even 'entertaining' any faith compared to the faith that we should have in Jesus Christ! I am totally against any ecumenism! I have fought Catholicism again and again on this Forum, turning back THECROSS's every argument.. I will continue to fight ecumenism, and stand ready to refute any and all posts that give special reverence to Mary. My post to Brian was to show my friendship to him in a way to keep him on this Study Bible Forum. I am sure that he is thinking or has thought about leaving this Forum completely, and I wanted to do my best to display to him the love that anyone should be given from "Christian" people. In no way did I concede any of my ideals or any position that I have against the Catholics to him, but I was simply trying to show him "brotherhood", since we must establish relationships with people first before they can see the sincerity of love in our hearts! Joe, you and I remain united against Catholicism and ecumenism. Even though this is a "Bible Study Forum" with discussion, I saw a 'need' here in our dialogue to 'act' like Christians, to temporarily put aside our swords, and to show Brian some much needed fellowship and love, whether anyone felt that he deserved it or not. But here's the catcher: I did it without conceding my beliefs, positions, etc.. Yes, we are here to debate those things revelant to how we believe, but we are not here to run anyone off of the Forum! It is not our job to deny anyone access to the Forum. In all things we should show love, respect and responsibility in the posts that we write. Your Brother in Christ, Nolan |
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