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1 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | GeneZ | 96087 | ||
God never suffers. He already knows the beginning to the end. Nothing takes him by surprise, and he is always living as the perfect answer to all our suffering. He is now able to identify with our suffering through the humanity of Christ. That is one reason why mankind needs a mediator between man and God, the humanity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ can identify with our weakness. "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. " (Hebrews 4:15) God (Deity of Christ) has no weakness. Deity did not, and could not, suffer on the Cross. God is, and always was, being perfect happiness and joy. For God NEVER changes. Jesus (humanity) suffered in our place, not his Deity. Deity is always being the joy that was set before Christ(humanity) as Jesus bore our sins. "...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." (Hebrews 12:2) I realize that for some this may be hard to accept at first. For others, it will not be. It is something we are to learn and know about God. He NEVER changes. He now has a policy to express human emotions as a means to communicate with us. For we understand God's policy this way. These expressions are called "anthropopathisms". That means God is attributing to himself traits that he himself does not possess which are used as a means to communicate certain things to finite creatures such as ourselves. God NEVER changes. God is always infinite love and happiness. God is never angry. He never is frustrated. He always sees us as being with him in Eternity as we will be, not as we are now. For what we are now in these bodies is seen by God as being dead and nailed to the cross with Christ. "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me." (Galatians 2:20) Grace and peace, Gene |
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2 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | flinkywood | 96193 | ||
First, Christ is God; Christ suffered; therefore, God suffered. "He (God) now has a policy to express human emotions as a means to communicate with us." I never heard of this policy. Anthropopathy is defined by Webster as "The affections of man, or the application of human passions to the Supreme Being." 1 John 4.19 says, "We love Him because He first loved us." It does not say "He loves us because we first applied human passions to Him." Also, "God is never angry"? Do you read the bible? If not, please go to Proverbs 9:10: "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom..." "Fear" in Hebrew means exactly that, fear. Why should anyone fear a God who never gets angry? Or maybe He only feigns anger for our benefit. If so, was God lying all those OT times He claimed to be angry? The God you describe is too liberal for the bible. Colin |
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3 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | GeneZ | 96203 | ||
Only the humanity of Christ suffered. I see anywhere in the Scripture where it says Deity suffered for anything. Humanity can suffer. Jesus suffered, but not his Deity. Omnipotence when combined with omniscience can not suffer. God can no more suffer than to lie. It is impossible for God to lie. God has no weakness required for anger. Anger would mean he has limits to what he can do to accomplish his desire. Yet he has a need to express anger as a means to let us know something we should know ACCORDING to our way of thinking. If you wanted to communicate with ants, and ants express anger by twitching their antennae. You may tell them that your antennae is twitching fiercely over something they just had done. You have no antennae. And, you really are not angry over an issue only important to ants. Yet, they understand what you desire (a change in behavior and thinking) and they get the message. God must resort to that at times. Yet, God IS love. God does not simply love. God IS love. We love because God first loved us. God imparted love to us. You said... "Fear" in Hebrew means exactly that, fear. Why should anyone fear a God who never gets angry? " Fear also can mean deep *respect.* "Reverence" A fear of displeasing God. Yet, it says that we fear. Not God. It said God got angry? In other words it is like saying... God's antennae twitch fiercely when we do something wrong. Are you getting this? God already knows our eternal state. He expresses what is needed to correct us according to what we can understand and can relate to. He desires that we submit to his molding us. For only he knows what is to be. We can not see what it is that he is getting us to become. Why should God be angry with anything? Is he limited and unable to do what he desires to do? Anger is expressed only as a means to motivate us until we grow up more in understanding who and what God is. If we do grow, then truth becomes our main concern... not conditioning by pain and pleasure reinforcement. Still having a problem with this? God is not a man. Yet, Jesus Christ is the humanity by whom God is *interpreted* to us. The Greek says that Jesus *interprets* God to us. Jesus is God's perfect means to express what we can relate to about God, as to give us an accurate *concept* about what God is. " No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has _*interpreted*_ Him and He has made Him known]." (John 1:18 Amplified) What we can know about God has been INTERPRETED by Christ to us. We can not know God as God knows Himself. We can not know what it is like to be omniscient. Without Christ as our interpreter we could not have a correct concept of God that we can relate to in our way of thinking. For Jesus Christ is both man and God. He knows perfectly well how to explain and interpret God to men. Before Abraham was existing, Jesus was always interpreting God to mankind. He only became manifested in human flesh when it was the right time in God's plan. God already sees you as you will be. He may appear to get angry at times, but he is already seeing the finished product and is pleased with you, no matter how much you may fail to glorify Christ in time. That is, if you have believed in Jesus Christ. Yet, if we fail to grow up in grace and knowledge, anger and pleasure will be needed to try and get our attention back on the right path. God motivates us according to our understanding. Anger is needed by those who do not please God. Those who do not please God obviously have a poor understanding of God. So, he motivates and disciplines according to where these are in their understanding of Him. Some only respond to anger at a given point in their life. But, God is not really angry. He only would get angry if he could fail to achieve his desire. God does not fail. Man does. Grace and peace, Gene |
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4 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | flinkywood | 96204 | ||
Thanks, Gene. Colin. |
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