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1 | were angels saved by works? | 2 Pet 2:4 | Makarios | 97387 | ||
Greetings John, I am not saying that angels or humans are "elect" based on any work on their part. What I am saying is, is that God does not extend grace to angels. There is not a need for God to extend grace to angels in the same way that He extends grace to us. You see, neither angels nor humans are justified by their works, so that no one may boast. But, at the same time, Angels do not have the same problem with faith as we do! :-) Angels cannot help but be in the Lord's presence, and they worship God continually (Luke 2:13-14). We must have faith in Him: "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;" According to Ezekiel 28:12-19, (v. 15) iniquity was found in the guardian cherub (v. 14). And I believe that this bit of Scripture is a reference to Satan's fall. I agree: it is hard to grasp how a being such as an Angel, who was created solely for God's service, could somehow fall from that state, and be "found with iniquity." But it happened, and Satan and his co-conspirators are part of that. Evidently, Satan had widespread influence in heaven to convince a third of all angels to revolt against Holy God, but it happened. But does that mean that angels continue to "fall"? No. God kicked Satan and his cohorts out of heaven (v. 16). Does God continue to kick angels out of heaven today? No. They are permanently His angels. All angels that could have or would have sinned did so in Satan's rebellion. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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2 | were angels saved by works? | 2 Pet 2:4 | John Reformed | 97389 | ||
Dear Makarios, You may find the following article of some interest: Angels are rational, moral beings (2 Sam 14:20; Matt 24:36; Eph 3:10; 1 Pet 1:12; 2 Pet 2:11). As originally created, all of the angels were morally good (Gen 1:31), but apparently only two-thirds of them—the elect angels (1 Tim 5:21)—remained in their created state of integrity, specifically, those under the command of the archangels Gabriel (meaning "God's mighty hero," Dan 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:9; 26) and Michael (meaning "Who is like God? No one [implied]!," Dan 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Rev 12:7). One-third of them, under the command of their archangel (we do not know what his name was originally4; we know him now as Satan, "Adversary"), by an act of will kept not their original state and fell with him (John 8:44; 2 Pet 2:4; Jude 6). We do not know precisely what their sin entailed—it was doubtless some act of willful rebellion against God—or precisely when they lapsed into sin, but at the end of Genesis 2, the events of which come within the sixth day of Genesis 1, God pronounced that all that he had made was "very good" (Gen 1:31); therefore, it would seem that the angelic fall had not yet occurred. But at the beginning of Genesis 3 we find the Tempter enticing Eve to sin against God. So apparently Satan and his angels fell at some point in the period of time between Genesis 2 and Genesis 3. Of course, the angels who did not fall—the elect angels—were kept from falling according to God's eternal plan by his preserving power. Their election, because God did not elect them out of a totality of a fallen angelic order inasmuch as these elect angels never fell, can only be understood along supralapsarian lines. For reasons sufficient to himself, God simply by decree granted to these angels perseverance in their created integrity and denied it to Satan and his angels.(Robert L. Reymond Professor Emeritus of Systematic TheologyKnox Theological Seminary) God Bless, John |
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3 | were angels saved by works? | 2 Pet 2:4 | Makarios | 97391 | ||
Greetings John! Excellent article, and I agree with it. Thanks for sharing! Makarios |
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4 | were angels saved by works? | 2 Pet 2:4 | John Reformed | 97406 | ||
Dear Darcy, Check out my post to Makarios ( ID# 97389 ). It may help you to establish when Satan fell. John |
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