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1 | CONDITIONAL ETERNAL SECURITY | 2 Pet 1:10 | Morant61 | 62600 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! If you don't mind, I would like to repost some comments I have made in the past about Heb. 6:4-6. I think that this is one of the cases where a little attention to the tenses of the verbs will clear up what seems to be a very difficult passage. Here goes: _______________________________________________ The problem with Heb. 6:6 is that all of the verbs in this verse occur only one time in the New Testament. This makes it very difficult to be dogmatic about what they mean, since we have no context to compare them with. With that in mind, I believe the following: 1) That the author is writting to Christians, not pagans or hearers only! 2) That this passage is describing a continuing attitude or action! 3) That the person who persists in this attitude is lost! 4) That any sin or attitude can be repented of! Let's look at the progress of the passage. Beginning in verse 4, the passage says that it is impossible to renew to repentance those who: * have been enlighted (aorist participle). * have partaken of the heavenly gift (aorist participle). * have shared in the Holy Spirit (aorist participle). * have tasted the word of God (aorist participle). * have fallen away (aorist participle). The key, I think, is found in the last two verbs. I believe that they give the reason why these people cannot be brought to repentance again. These two verbs say that: * they are cruciying afresh (present participle). * they are exposing Him to public disgrace (present participle). All of the other verbs are aorist participles. They describe past actions. These last two are present participles describing present actions and attitudes. I think that the people described here are similar to those in Heb. 10:26 and 10:29. They are believers who despise the blood of Christ and wilfully sin against Him. The context of Heb. 6:7-8 would seem to support this. But, here is the key point. The impossiblity of renewing them to repentance seems to be tied to their current and ongoing attitude. I don't see anything is the passage that indicates that such a person can never be saved again or can never repent. It is impossible now, because they are crucifying, they are publicly shaming Christ, and they are sinning wilfully. If that attitude changes, I don't see any grammatical reason why they could not repent. One of the basic rules of interpretation is to let clear Scripture interpret less clear Scripture. Heb. 6:6 is not real clear. But, 1 John 1:9 is clear. No where else in Scripture are we told that it is impossible for someone to repent. Therefore, I would say that Heb. 6:6 desribes the lost condition of those who are actively and currently rejecting Christ wilfully. As long as they remain in this state of rejection, it is impossible for the to repent, since salvation is found only in the Christ they are rejecting. If they have a change of attitude toward Christ, I believe that this passage would no longer apply to them. _______________________________________________ Or, to state the case more briefly, the verse can be translated: "It is impossible to renew them to repentance while they are crucifying to themselves the Son of God and while they are subjecting Him to public disgrace." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Blaspheme against the Holy Ghost? | 2 Pet 1:10 | Pastor Glenn | 62621 | ||
Brother Moran, "... I don't see anything is the passage that indicates that such a person can never be saved again or can never repent...." "...No where else in Scripture are we told that it is impossible for someone to repent. ..." There is other scripture that speaks of the unforgivable sin of blaspheme against the Holy Ghost: Mark 3:28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30because they said, "He has an unclean spirit." Luke 12:10"And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven. " Could it be that these are related to Heb 6 God Bless, Pastor Glenn |
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3 | Blaspheme against the Holy Ghost? | 2 Pet 1:10 | Morant61 | 62624 | ||
Greetings Pastor Glenn! It is hard to say! I'm not trying to dodge the question, but no one is really sure what the unforgiveable sin is exactly! :-) The context of Mark in particular seems to indicate that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is done when someone attributes the works of God to Satan. As I was looking at the text just now though, I did notice some similarities. I'll have to check into your question a little more! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Blaspheme against the Holy Ghost? | 2 Pet 1:10 | Pastor Glenn | 62630 | ||
Brother Moran, Thank youfor looking into this. This forum is far better than just a study bible because of dynamic and sensitive members like you and others. We will not always agree, but I do not agree with stances that I have taken myself years ago. The Christian walk is indeed a growing and maturing process. God Bless, Pastor Glenn |
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