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1 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151555 | ||
Original Question: Why can we not just be Christians; All members of one body; the body of Jesus Christ, our savior? Kalos responded: Answer: Foreknowledge 'Occasionally someone will suggest that God's election is based on His foreknowledge of certain events. This argument suggests that God simply looks into the future to see who will believe, and He chooses those whom He sees choosing Him. Notice that 1 Peter 1:2 says the elect are chosen "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father," and Romans 8:29 says, "whom He foreknew, He also predestined." And if divine foreknowledge simply means God's knowledge of what will happen in advance, then these arguments may appear to have some weight behind them. '....But that is not the biblical meaning of "foreknowledge." When the Bible speaks of God's foreknowledge, it refers to God's establishment of a love relationship with that person. The word "know," in both the Old and New Testament, refers to much more than mere cognitive knowledge of a person. Such passages as Hosea 13:4-5; Amos 3:2 (KJV); and Romans 11:2 clearly indicate this. For example, 1 Peter 1:20 says Christ was "foreknown before the foundation of the world." Surely this means more than that God the Father looked into the future to behold Christ! It means He had an eternal, loving relationship with Him. The same is true of the elect, whom we are told God "foreknew" (Romans 8:29). That means He knew them--he loved them--before the foundation of the world.' (www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/election.htm) Grace to you, Kalos * * * * * * * * * * * * * Not Yet responded: Thank you Kalos. Though it appears there is room for doubt, I feel strongly that you have proven my position. There are many "positions" in scripture, which cannot be proven absolutely. I feel personally that these passages are of little consequence to those of us who are firmly rooted in Christ. However a doctrine such as this, can easily dishearten the sinner who feels unworthy, or even a week child of God. Still, dear brother, you did not answer my question. “Why can we not just be Christians; All members of one body; the body of Jesus Christ, our savior? “ I prefer an answer as biblically founded as possible. |
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2 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151557 | ||
Dear Not Yet, Sorry, I should have responded to this in my last response. You wrote, "I feel personally that these passages are of little consequence to those of us who are firmly rooted in Christ. However a doctrine such as this, can easily dishearten the sinner who feels unworthy, or even a week child of God." In the Study Bible Forum we study the Bible, not feelings, let alone personal ones. If you are firmly rooted in Christ, then it should not trouble you to dig more deeply into the Word. If the Holy Spirit saw fit to give us His Word, then we must understand it as clearly as possible. If the doctrine is sound, then the sinner should feel disheartened and unworthy. That is the foundation of the Gospel message. If the doctinre is sound, then the weak child of God will be strengthened. We are not to water down the message of the Word so that it does not offend. The Word will always offend. Remember, sound doctrine always divides! It has always divided and always will divide. It will even divide in eternity the sheep and the goats! In Him, Doc For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (2 Timothy 4:3) |
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3 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151567 | ||
Doc, I do not like to use the terms “I believe and I feel” when referring to scripture, but though I did use them, my statements are biblically founded. “I believe” there has been adequate scriptural references to prove this assertion. It is odd. When I did not use those terms, I was called arrogant. Now, I am reminded that "In the Study Bible Forum we study the Bible, not feelings, let alone personal ones." You imply that I speak from personal feelings, brother. Though you may disagree, can you not see the validity of my words? No doubt, if it the time isn't here already, it can't be far off, for the preperations are so visably in place for when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (2 Timothy 4:3) Humbly NYP |
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4 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151576 | ||
Dear Not Yet, You wrote, "You imply that I speak from personal feelings." Then the appropriate thing is to post is "There are many 'positions' in scripture, which cannot be proven absolutely. Please see (some biblical reference that states that there are many positions in scripture that can't be stated absolutely)." You wrote, "Though you may disagree, can you not see the validity of my words?" If I felt that your statement about "positions" were valid, I would agree. NYP, it is not that we mean to be disrespectful or demeaning. We are here to study the Word of God, not the opinions of men. Consequently, our statements must be substantiated by Scripture. If you take exception to what is stated, then cite a Scripture that demonstrates your point. There are many here that will be happy to be corrected, as we are not attempting to validate our personal views, but draw closer to the truth as revealed in the Word. (Proverbs 9:8) This is what is meant in Scripture by sound doctrine. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151744 | ||
Are you stating that it is your view that everything in scripture is plain and simply, cut and dried, easily understood by all who read, as simple as 2plus 2 equals 4? Forgive me if I sound like a dumb old country boy, but that is just exactly what I am. If I failed to quote the scripture, it is because I would have to quote page after page, and I took it for granted that those who read my post were familiar with the passages concerning my references. ie. Passages concerning eternal salvation, loss of salvation, the doctrine of grace and election, etc. Such topics as "once saved, always saved" have been debated to no end, and there is still no firm conclusion, which is biblically founded. Many emphatically state that it is this way, then quote their scripture, while others just as emphatically, state that it is that way, and they provide just as much convincing scripture as the opposition to their statement. Surely you understand my words. I know the answer that I seek. It is in scripture, and if I am not mistaken, I have quoted it already. I simply wanted to promote a discussion along that line. In Him |
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6 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151769 | ||
Hi, Nyp! I think the old divines said it best when they wrote, "All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of ordinary means, may attain to a sufficient understanding of them." (2 Peter 3:16; Psalms 19:7; Psalms 119:130) They didn't leave it there, they also wrote, "The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself; and therefore when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched by other places that speak more clearly." (2 Peter 1:20, 21; Acts 15:15, 16) And, finally, my favorite, "The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved." (Matthew 22:29, 31, 32; Ephesians 2:20; Acts 28:23) In Him, Doc |
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7 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151874 | ||
Thank You Doc. I like to say concerning salvation, that "in these complicated times, we often fail to comprehend the simplicity of the Word." In Him NYP |
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