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1 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | rhonda1967 | 75563 | ||
Once you are saved, can you do anything to lose it. | ||||||
2 | If you are saved can you lose it | Heb 6:6 | disciplerami | 75564 | ||
Not if you have no free will. If you have free will, then yes you can lose it. Hebrews 6:6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." I know that most people don't believe this because they've slipped down the slippery slope of 'total depravity', but the doctrine of eternal security is false. A Christian is not perfect and as long as he keeps the faith, walks in the light, carries the cross daily, then the blood of God's Son cleanses him continually (1 John 1). But if he steps out of the light, tantamount to turning away from and shaking a fist at God, then the grace stops. James 5:19,20. Good day. |
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3 | disciplerami, how do we keep salvation? | Heb 6:6 | Searcher56 | 75569 | ||
disciplerami, - how is one saved? ... is it a gift? - how does one lose their salvation? ... do we return the gift? - how does one keep from losing their salvation? ... is it something we do/ don't do? - once one loses their salvation, are they lost forever ... has Jesus forsaken them? |
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4 | disciplerami, how do we keep salvation? | Heb 6:6 | David F | 75682 | ||
Hello, losing salvation is a very strong statement. I say this because it's not just turning away from God to try to live our own lives apart from Him. In this scripture Heb.6:6 it talks about nailing Jesus to the cross all over again. So for us to lose our salvation or well what did the people who crucified Jesus on the cross do to Him. They did more than turn away from Him. They cursed Him, spit on Him, beat Him, and forcably pushed Him away. So I think we have to take some strong steps to lose salvation, but once we're there I don't think it's a matter of Him forsaking us when we've already so strongly forsaken Him. We make the choices of which way to walk. Hope this brings some clarity. | ||||||
5 | David F, please answer the questions | Heb 6:6 | Searcher56 | 75731 | ||
David F, answer the following - how is one saved? ... is it a gift? - how does one lose their salvation? ... do we return the gift? - how does one keep from losing their salvation? ... is it something we do/ don't do? - once one loses their salvation, are they lost forever ... has Jesus forsaken them? |
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6 | David F, please answer the questions | Heb 6:6 | disciplerami | 75752 | ||
Yes, salvation is a gift that is given with conditions. Confess Me before men and I'll confess you before the Father. Deny Me and... How does one lose salvation? Same as Israel, turn to the world, away from God, be faithless, be disobedient (Hebrews 3:18,19) You do not lose your salvation easily. See my note to David F. If someone loses their salvation, they can repent and return. Good day. |
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7 | disciplerami, it is impossible (Heb 6:6) | Heb 6:6 | Searcher56 | 75758 | ||
disciplerami, You said "If someone loses their salvation, they can repent and return" ... but, Hebrews 6:6 says that is impossible ... Quoting Hebrews 6:4-6, "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, (5) and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, (6) and then have fallen away, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame." |
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8 | disciplerami, it is impossible (Heb 6:6) | Heb 6:6 | disciplerami | 75780 | ||
Hi, you have to study a little more in-depth on that passage, but the exact meaning shows the impossibility of repenting WHILE he crucify to himself the Son of God. The word ANASTAUROUNTAS, for crucify, is a present participle. So WHILE they crucify Him, it is impossible. If they quit crucifying Him, then it is no longer impossible to renew them again to repentance. Is it likely that they will repent? I would say it is pretty unlikely. Thanks for the note, have a good day. |
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9 | disciplerami, it is impossible (Heb 6:6) | Heb 6:6 | Reformer Joe | 75782 | ||
"So WHILE they crucify Him, it is impossible. If they quit crucifying Him, then it is no longer impossible to renew them again to repentance." I can honestly say that this is the first time I have ever heard of such an interpretation of this text. What does it mean that they were "crucifying Christ to themselves," according to your interpretation? How does someone who has fallen away stop crucifying Christ to themselves? And how is this any type of dire warning if what the writer was "really saying" is that salvation is a revolving door, that we can be born again and again and again and again? That seems to fly right in the face of the verses in their context. Where did you get the word "WHILE" from the text? Thanks! --Joe! |
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10 | disciplerami, it is impossible (Heb 6:6) | Heb 6:6 | Morant61 | 75784 | ||
Greetings Joe! I would have to agree with Disciplerami on this one point! :-) Here is part of a post I made to Sir Pent back on 12/4/01 on this very point. ************************************************ Thanks for your patience! I was hesitant to go beyond what I wrote because of the difficulty of the verse. So, I have been doing some more research. Here is what I have concluded! The problem with Heb. 6:6 is that all of the verbs in this verse occur only one time in the New Testament. This makes it very difficult to be dogmatic about what they mean, since we have no context to compare them with. With that in mind, I believe the following: 1) That the author is writting to Christians, not pagans or hearers only! 2) That this passage is describing a continuing attitude or action! 3) That the person who persists in this attitude is lost! 4) That any sin or attitude can be repented of! Let's look at the progress of the passage. Beginning in verse 4, the passage says that it is impossible to renew to repentance those who: * have been enlighted (aorist participle). * have partaken of the heavenly gift (aorist participle). * have shared in the Holy Spirit (aorist participle). * have tasted the word of God (aorist participle). * have fallen away (aorist participle). The key, I think, is found in the last two verbs. I believe that they give the reason why these people cannot be brought to repentance again. These two verbs say that: * they are cruciying afresh (present participle). * they are exposing Him to public disgrace (present participle). All of the other verbs are aorist participles. They describe past actions. These last two are present participles describing present actions and attitudes. I think that the people described here are similar to those in Heb. 10:26 and 10:29. They are believers who despise the blood of Christ and wilfully sin against Him. The context of Heb. 6:7-8 would seem to support this. But, here is the key point. The impossiblity of renewing them to repentance seems to be tied to their current and ongoing attitude. I don't see anything is the passage that indicates that such a person can never be saved again or can never repent. It is impossible now, because they are crucifying, they are publicly shaming Christ, and they are sinning wilfully. If that attitude changes, I don't see any grammatical reason why they could not repent. One of the basic rules of interpretation is to let clear Scripture interpret less clear Scripture. Heb. 6:6 is not real clear. But, 1 John 1:9 is clear. No where else in Scripture are we told that it is impossible for someone to repent. Therefore, I would say that Heb. 6:6 desribes the lost condition of those who are actively and currently rejecting Christ wilfully. As long as they remain in this state of rejection, it is impossible for the to repent, since salvation is found only in the Christ they are rejecting. If they have a change of attitude toward Christ, I believe that this passage would no longer apply to them. *********************************************** So, I would agree with Disciplerami that Heb. 6:4-6 does not teach that someone who has fallen away can 'never' repent, but only that while they are engaged in the 'crucifying' and 'subjecting' is it impossible. Here I thought you read ALL of my posts! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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11 | disciplerami, it is impossible (Heb 6:6) | Heb 6:6 | Reformer Joe | 75785 | ||
Thanks for the explanation, Tim. It seems that taking such an approach weakens the warning somewhat, and also seems to make the statement somewhat illogical in my view. Since repentance is the disposition of rejecting sin and relying on Christ, saying that as long as one is unrepentant that he cannot be brought back to repentance doesn't make much sense. The conclusion the would be that once he repents he can be brought back to repentance. That's like saying if I lock myself out of my house, I cannot go back in until I go in and get the key. When you pair this warning up with its companion in Hebrews 10 ("there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins"), it seems even less likely to me that the epistle writer is describing a revolving door for those who have "fallen away." You wrote: "Here I thought you read ALL of my posts! ;-)" I do read most of them, but I am still working on committing them to memory. :) --Joe! |
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12 | disciplerami, it is impossible (Heb 6:6) | Heb 6:6 | Morant61 | 75788 | ||
Greetings Joe! I don't find your statement to be illogical. Repentance is, more than anything else, an attitude. If someone is unrepentant, of course they will not be willing to repent. The issue of Hebrews 6 (to me at least) is those (primarily Jewish Christians) who have placed their faith in Christ, but have begun to show signs of going back to the Law and Judaism. A very loose paraphrase of Hebrews 6 might simply be: "If you reject Christ, there is no other source of salvation." Obviously, one cannot bring (or renew) someone to repentance if they are actively rejectings Him, especially if they had already been Christians. So, I think the warning is more valid under this interpretation than when considering Rom. 6 as a impossible hypothetical. The warning would be in essence, "If you reject Christ, you are lost; and as long as you reject Him, you will remain lost." Concerning a revolving door, I don't see that passage as advocating that, nor in my experience have I seen in demonstrated. Most people who accept Christ, continue on with Christ at an increasing level of maturity. Very few, who really know Christ, would ever reach the place where they would actively reject Him. I know that I have been through some very tough times in my life, but at no point have I ever even considered the possibility of rejecting Christ. And that is what I see in this passage, not a Christian who stumbles and is lost, but a Christian who willfully, and knowingly rejects Christ after having experienced all of the things mentioned in this passage. Such a person, at least while they are rejecting Christ, will not come to repentance. Indeed, they may never. This, at least in my mind, is a very dire warning. And, it is grammatical. The 'main' verb of the verse is 'to renew'. It is a Present, Active, Infinitive. The last two verbs are present participles, and present participles normally convey action which is contemporary with the action of the main verb. While, aorist participles usually convey action which is prior to the time of the main verb. So, grammatically, it makes excellent sense to say: It is impossible for those who have.....(add the list of items) to renew them to repentance, while they are.... p.s. - If you have time to memorize my posts, I need to become a teacher! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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13 | disciplerami, it is impossible (Heb 6:6) | Heb 6:6 | disciplerami | 75810 | ||
Tim, that's much better than how I said it. Right on, friend. Good day. |
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