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1 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Ocelot | 165800 | ||
So what you’re saying is that if a born again Christian, a leader amongst God’s people becomes a murderer, an adulterer, that they’re still safe? Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Now you might say “Well that person never really had a Working Faith”. Didn’t he? I think that he did. His name was David and he was called a man after God’s own heart. One of the sins listed for those who’s place is in the lake of fire is murder. Another is immorality. Both of which David was guilty of. Both of which David had to be forgiven. Now David will be in heaven, we know that. But if he had not confessed and repented? How about king Saul? He was chosen by God. And yet he died a murderer of priests amongst many other sins. According to the two verses above, he’s doomed. David’s little romp with Bathsheba and the resulting murder of Uriah prove that a follower of God CAN lose salvation. And you can’t argue with the Bible. Revelation 22:15 says that murderers will have their place in the lake of fire. Salvation can be lost. |
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2 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Saint Luke | 165890 | ||
Ocelot, Interesting, so I guess You are the one who can pluck yourself out of GOD's Hand!!! What amazing powers you possess!!! I guess GOD didn't see you among all of all the other's coming when he wrote John 10:27-29 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. How does it feel to have all that power? I mean, you have the ability to pluck yourself out of GOD'S Hand!!! How does it feel to know you are going to Heaven, no Hell, no Heaven, now Hell, I mean Heaven, opps Hell, no Heaven, opps again Hell.......... Boy, I sure wouldn't want to live in your Sabbath rest! I choose to believe what GOD'S word says, in context. That Christ died for the Sins of the World.... I John 2:2..... and he was reconciling the whole world to himself....2 Corinthians 5:19...... That salvation is not just forgiveness of Sins, because that has been given to the whole world, again, I John 2:2.... but believing in Christ that gives us ETERNAL LIFE....John 3:16.... Amazingly, John 3:16 mentions nothing about forgiveness of sins. As far as your references, all Scripture may be for us but not all Scripture is to us. Your use of Revelation chapters 21 and 22 are referring to the the Great White throne judgement, and not intended for the believer. And don't try to pull out Gal 5:19-22 here, it is talking about the works of the flesh. If the Jews of the Old Testament could follow it, what on earth makes you think you can? I guess your version of Christianity has Christ's Sacrificial Death on the cross only good enough to get you to the point of salvation, then it is all based on your works! Kind of a cruel trick GOD played on you isn't it? You are under bondage. Kind of the opposite of what GOD says in HIS word isn't it, I mean HE says in John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." The opposite is true then, Error keeps you in bondage. 1 Corinthians 15:50 says,"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." Sorry to tell you this, but the human body in its current state isn't going to be in the Kingdom of GOD. So the part of us that is incorruptible, the part GOD made incorruptible, will see it. Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Gal 5:18 says, "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. And Romans 8:2 says, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." The TRUTH shall MAKE you FREE. Luke |
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