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1 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Ocelot | 165800 | ||
So what you’re saying is that if a born again Christian, a leader amongst God’s people becomes a murderer, an adulterer, that they’re still safe? Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Now you might say “Well that person never really had a Working Faith”. Didn’t he? I think that he did. His name was David and he was called a man after God’s own heart. One of the sins listed for those who’s place is in the lake of fire is murder. Another is immorality. Both of which David was guilty of. Both of which David had to be forgiven. Now David will be in heaven, we know that. But if he had not confessed and repented? How about king Saul? He was chosen by God. And yet he died a murderer of priests amongst many other sins. According to the two verses above, he’s doomed. David’s little romp with Bathsheba and the resulting murder of Uriah prove that a follower of God CAN lose salvation. And you can’t argue with the Bible. Revelation 22:15 says that murderers will have their place in the lake of fire. Salvation can be lost. |
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2 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Hank | 165814 | ||
Ocelot: David's "little romp with Bathsheba" as you call it no more proves that eternal life (salvation) can be lost than the opening chapters of Genesis "prove" that the world is flat. It illustrates quite well, however, that even a man like David, a man after God's own heart, is capable of sin. ...... Surely you didn't study Psalm 51 before you entered your error-ridden conclusions in your Post #165800. David's Psalm 51 is a magnificent psalm of penitence, a study without parallel in Scripture of a sinning believer, King David, who comes back to full communion and service to his God. It has nothing whatsoever to do with David's "losing" of his salvation. To conclude that the episode of David with Bathsheba and his subsequent doing in of Uriah the Hittite, along with tossing in a quote of Revelation 22:15 for good measure, all add up to proof that David "lost" his salvation is a quantum leap into irresponsible eisegesis and major doctrinal error. Your case fails utterly for lack of proof, for bad and irrelevant "evidence", and for faulty reasoning. Your post doesn't earn a passing grade, Ocelot, nor even an honorable mention. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | DocTrinsograce | 165816 | ||
Dear Hank, This Sunday, under the wonderful tutelage of Dr. Terry Chrisope. we examined Romans 4:17ff. Dr. Chrisope pointed out that the measure of Abraham's life was its general bent and tendency. Scripture does not deny that he stumbled. However, the general direction in which Abraham lived his life was toward God. This observation would, of course, also apply to David. They always returned to the Lord, by the grace of God. One other thing -- although unrelated to the topic at hand -- he said something that gave me pause: "Nowhere in the NT are the OT saints spoken of negatively." Hmmmm... In Him, Doc PS Well said post, by the way! |
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