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1 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Ocelot | 165803 | ||
Here’s a little news for you. David was saved by the blood of Jesus, not by the blood of lambs, and certainly not by keeping the commandments. Just like every son of Adam and daughter of Eve since The Fall. If David, or anybody before Christ could have been saved by works, then heaven will be a lot emptier. You see, Christianity is not a new religion. Christ is not a new God. True Christianity is the continuation of the Jewish religion. Just as the Jewish religion was the continuation of the Patriarchs religion. And the Patriarchs religion was a continuation of Noah’s religion, and Noah’s religion was a continuation of Adam’s religion. There’s no “new” way to be saved. Christ has always been The Way. Secondly, God has a limit. He will not go against our Freedom of Choice. If I, who am saved, choose to be lost (may it never be), then He will not stop me. If we don’t have freedom of choice, then this whole sin thing has been just a big experiment by God. Like a child with an ant hill and a magnifying glass. But God is not that way. The, dear Mark, though you may be saved can choose to be lost. And God will honor your choice. |
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2 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | mark d seyler | 165805 | ||
Hi, Ocelot, I agree with you about how the OT saints are saved, by faith in Christ, looking ahead through the sacrificial system. But nonetheless, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, being "born-again", made spiritually alive, was not something that happened under the Old Covenant. (by the way, Samuel told King Saul "you will be with me". Whether he meant "with me in death", or "with me in Abraham's Bosom" is open to interpretation. Saul may well meet us in heaven.) The whole thing about Abraham's Bosom makes an important point. The OT saints could not just come into God's presence when they died, not until Jesus actually died. When we die, we can go directly into God's presence because, well, we are actually in God's presence now, His Holy Spirit living in us, because He has made us holy. Pretty amazing! So the regenerate might choose to turn from God? The Bible doesn't teach that! God, after promising to hold my hand, and not let me go, but bring me safely home, would then, on my whim, just say, "Ok, go ahead!" and let go my hand, and let me run into the street in front of a bus? As I have presented Scripture that teaches the claims I have made, please make a Scriptural presentation, rather than simply making claims. Look at this logically. When I trust in Jesus, God forgives me of all sin. The penalty of all my sin is put on Jesus. I do not have to bear the consequence of my sin. Thankfully!!! Though He may allow some results of sin to remain in my life if it helps me to become more like Jesus, that's it. Certainly I do not suffer all the consequence of every sin, just so much as it serves His purpose. Let's say tomorrow I decide that I want to sin, and that I even go to the point of claiming that I no longer wish to serve God. This is a sin which Jesus died for, and will cleanse me of. This is a sin which God will monitor the consequence of, only allowing that which serves to make me more like Jesus. Misery, perhaps, but not hell. There is no "master me", an overall control system that decides whether I will be spiritually alive or dead. I was dead, God offered me life, and now I am alive. But it is God's doing that I am alive, not mine. (Eph 2) I was already dead because of sin, but God has made me alive. Sin can no longer kill me, because I have God's kind of life in me. (Romans 8) Do you think that when we sin, God listens to our dead flesh, that says "I don't want You anymore", or do you suppose He listens to our living spirit, which, in spite of our sin, cries out "Daddy, I want to live!" Love in Christ, Mark |
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