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1 | wine and acohol | 1 Tim 5:23 | mitelt | 111560 | ||
How did you determine that this was "New Wine"? I have looked in several versions and do not see a reference to "New Wine". Several say "Good Wine" or "the Best Wine", but I could not find the phrase "New Wine". You also say that "New Wine" has little or no alcoholic content. Yet in Act 2:13 the apostles are accused of being drunk on "New Wine" or "Sweet Wine" (depending on the version). If the reference to "New Wine" here is correct, then it would seem that "New Wine" is intoxicating. |
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2 | wine and acohol | 1 Tim 5:23 | EdB | 111563 | ||
I should have said "good or best” wine which is the new wine. The word used in the Acts 2:13 means new wine or fresh juice. But by nuance was also used to refer to alcoholic drink. Sort of like some one asking, “I have grape juice and wine which do you want?” The response being, “give me the good stuff.” I seriously question why everyone rushes to defend the ingestion of the excrement of sugar eating bacteria. It is beyond my imagination. It serves no purpose beyond vain argument and drinking of such surely doesn’t make this world a better place to live or brings any glory to God. It serves no purpose in our society and is in fact a determent to society accounting as the one of the highest takers of lives, the number one contributor to accidents, through the centuries it has destroyed lives and families and is abused by most that claim to have control over it. “I only drink a glass a night, and I can stop at any time, I just don’t want to.” Folks that is an alcoholic You say it is okay to drink fine how about you giving me your phone number and the next time I have to go to home of some woman beaten beyond recognition by her drunk husband I'll call you. Then you can sit there and agree with her husband that even Jesus provided wine for those to get drunk. (cause every drunk jumps on that, they know nothing else of the Bible other than Jesus created wine, but they have been feed that ammunition and boy do they use it) and while your there you can explain to her and her children that alcohol is worth defending. Getting a little tired of all you ammunition bearers! EdB |
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3 | wine and acohol | 1 Tim 5:23 | mitelt | 111578 | ||
Believe it or not, I didn’t ask the question about “New Wine” to justify alcoholism. Your statement about “new wine” containing little or no alcohol appeared to contradict the reference to “new wine” in Acts 2:13, which is clearly referring to an intoxicating beverage, not grape juice. Based on that, I could not reach the same conclusion that you did regarding the wine Jesus created as being alcohol free. If the Greek words used for “wine” in these verses are different, then it is possible that they refer to two different types of beverage. Possible, but not conclusive. Thru some research on the internet, I have found some “commentaries” that both support and refute the idea that the wine Jesus created and/or drank was alcohol free. The pro view runs along the same lines as some of your statements. The con view states the lack of refrigeration, sanitation, pasteurization along with the natural occurrence of yeast and sugars in grapes as facts that make it unlikely that alcohol free wine could exist in biblical times. Grape juice sealed in wineskins or barrels will ferment and become wine. Grape juice not sealed, not refrigerated, and not pasteurized becomes vinegar. Then there is the issue of whether or not biblical wine was mixed with water. More pros and cons. I will continue researching these issues until I satisfy myself and can justify my conclusion. Right now, I would have to say that I lean towards the wine being alcoholic. I have to say that I am not particularly fond of your reference to the "excrement of sugar eating bacteria”. Can I assume that you do not eat any bread products, like most store bought breads, or bagels, or pizza dough or drink naturally carbonated soft drinks (soda pop)? While the yeast used for baking may be a different kind of yeast than that used for brewing or winemaking (there are about 160 different species), the principle is the same. That same bacteria excrement is what makes bread dough rise and adds carbon dioxide to some soft drinks. And then there is yogurt, which I don’t think uses yeast, but does usually contain active living organisms. These cultures act as friendly bacteria that "pre-digest" the lactose. Yogurt can be a good source of calcium for some people who suffer from lactose intolerance. If you abstain from eating or drinking anything made from or containing yeast, then I say go ahead, use the "sugar eating bacteria" example. But if you consume any of these products then you may be ingesting similar "excrement". EdB, you are right that drunkenness, alcoholism, wife-beating, drunken-driving, drug abuse, etc. are not defensible actions or lifestyles. I don’t think anybody here would attempt to defend that. Your last paragraph leads me to believe that this subject is quite personal to you. I can understand that. But just as all husbands are not wife-beaters and all wife-beaters are not drunks, not everyone who drinks is a drunk or an alcoholic. There are people who enjoy wine or beer for the flavor and not the buzz, who drink infrequently and who behave responsibly when they do have a drink. Does it glorify God? Probably not. But I can say the same about television, the movies, theater, most books and magazines, the newspaper, the internet, most peoples’ hobbies and quite possibly their jobs. Please understand, I really was just trying to understand your comments regarding “New Wine”. I plan to continue researching the issues regarding wine, the Bible, Jesus and how they relate to one another and the proper interpretation of scripture. I think I will refrain from commenting about this subject on this forum as these discussions always appear to get emotional rather than scriptural. I am afraid I have followed that same trend. Peace to all. |
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4 | wine and acohol | 1 Tim 5:23 | Ken John | 111583 | ||
Greetings brother, I found your comments very interesting because this question of whether Jesus drank wine in the alcoholic state is one which I have researched for an explanation also. As you know alcohol has a good purpose as is everything that our Almighty God has created. Of course man comes along and abuses what he has been given. One can continue on this line for most thing on the globe. In the case of Jesus making wine at the wedding feast, I cannot envisage our Lord creating something that would harm those drinking it. However, whether it was grape juice or not only He can give us an answer. I will continue to research nevertheless. Blessings, Ken John |
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