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1 | Who Does God Draw? | 1 Tim 3:1 | Morant61 | 13482 | ||
Greetings Bjanko! I am an Arminian! From that perspective, I have a question for you. You seem to be saying that only those whom God "makes believe" are counted among the "whosoever believes" passages. If God irresistibly calls people to salvation, how do you explain John 6:44 and John 12:32? John 6:44 says, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." John 12:32 says, "32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." The same word is used in both verses for the drawing of men to salvation. John 6:44 affirms that no one can come to Christ unless God draws him. While, John 12:32 says that Christ will draw all men. I look forward to your response! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Who Does God Draw? | 1 Tim 3:1 | bjanko | 13490 | ||
I don't see the discrepancy you are rerferring to in the passages. No part of the Bible contradicts another. You seem to have explained it yourself. |
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3 | Who Does God Draw? | 1 Tim 3:1 | Morant61 | 13493 | ||
Greetings Bjanko! What I was trying to demonstrate is simply this: If as Calvinism teaches, only those who are drawn can accept the gift of salvation, then John 12:32 destroys the foundations of Calvinistic thought since everyone is drawn. From my perspective, this makes perfect sense. Christ died for all. He desires that all be saved. He offers salvation to all. He draws all. But, the benefits of salvation only apply to those who accept the gift. I was just curious as to how you understood these verses from your perspective. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Who Does God Draw? | 1 Tim 3:1 | bjanko | 13497 | ||
TIM If as Calvinism teaches, only those who are drawn can accept the gift of salvation, then John 12:32 destroys the foundations of Calvinistic thought since everyone is drawn. From my perspective, this makes perfect sense. Christ died for all. He desires that all be saved. He offers salvation to all. He draws all. But, the benefits of salvation only apply to those who accept the gift. BJANKO If God desires all to be saved -- and some are not saved -- then God is impotent to save those whom He chooses. Your philosophy is a glorification of man's will, not God's sovreignty. It is a pagan philosophy, unscriptural to the core. You need to interpret all verses in light of the Bible ALONE, and not man's philosphies, and also in light of ALL OF THE BIBLE. Your interpretation's are misinterpretations because they do not consider the context of the ENTIRE BIBLE. Arminianism and Scripture are incompatible. |
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5 | Who Does God Draw? | 1 Tim 3:1 | Morant61 | 13516 | ||
Greeting Bjanko! My brother, I have many friends on this forum who are Calvinists. I respect their opinions because they will honestly deal with Scripture and share why they believe what they believe. However, you have failed to even attempt to deal with the Scripture that I asked you about. Here is the problem. John 12:32 says, using the same word that John 6:44 uses, that Christ will "draw" all men. This isn't my opinion or my philosophy. It is a clear statement of Scripture. So, I ask again: How does this verse fit with your philosophy? It would be nice if you would even attempt an answer. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Who Does God Draw? | 1 Tim 3:1 | bjanko | 13544 | ||
Tim, I have no desire to attempt an answer. You are an Arminian and the philosophy of Arminius is a man-made one, not a Scriptural one. I believe in the Bible; I do not give a hoot about Calvin or Arminius. |
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