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NASB | 1 Timothy 3:1 It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Timothy 3:1 This is a faithful and trustworthy saying: if any man [eagerly] seeks the office of overseer (bishop, superintendent), he desires an excellent task. |
Subject: Did Jesus die _only_ for the elect |
Bible Note: Repost from 07-30-01 The following re-post still applies to whoever elects to re-animate a subject of recent long and bitter debate. (originally written to proorizo): I say again: many, if not most of us here at the forum, do not want to go over what has already been covered once before -- a long and bitter debate over Calvinism vs. Arminianism. It was a debate that involved many people. No one has any wish to rehash all of that and stir up more strong feelings. We've been all through that. I suppose this is a "Don't bring up what has already been covered" type of message board. What is productive about taking another month to rehash what has already been discussed from every possible angle? In the case of Calvinism vs Arminianism, the only thing a second round of debate would "produce" is more hard feelings -- more heat, but surely no more light. It may be true that many people do not understand Calvinism. It seems that the majority on this forum don't understand and apparently don't want to understand the Bible doctrine of election. But I think who understands what is not the issue here. Avoiding another knock-down, drag-out battle over Calvinism is the issue. We do not care to be told once again that which we have already debated endlessly. Nor do we care for more fighting and quarreling here. As far as I can see, all the Calvinists and all the Arminians have the same old questions that they ask over and over and over again. The questions are then followed by the same answers over and over again -- answers that apparently neither side is listening to. It is highly unlikely that anyone on either side will post something new on the subject, something that already hasn't been argued to death. In a practical sense, we do not have time to go over the same issues every month. We especially do not have time to go over the debate between what I call divine sovereignty and human responsibility. Every possible jot and tittle of this centuries-old debate has already been presented here. Please do not view this as a personal attack. I have nothing against you personally. It isn't you, sir, it's the subject. Frankly we are all sick unto death of the quarreling over it. --JVH0212 "In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, and in all things charity." |