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1 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | Morant61 | 194457 | ||
Greetings Brad! In 1 Cor. 12:10, prophecy is listed as one of the gifts given by the Holy Spirit. In 1 Cor. 12:28, prophets are listed as among those appointed in the Church by God. 1 Cor. 14:29 gives the instruction that no more than 2 or 3 prophets should speak at a time. In Rev. 11:10, the two witnesses are referred to as prophets. Acts 21:10 refers to a prophet by the name of Agabus. In light of all of these verses, I would have a difficult time saying that prophecy and prophets are no longer for today. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194458 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for your perspective on this. I wouldn't disagree as to what these scriptures say. I acknowledge that there are no scriptures which say that spiritual gifts have ceased- or in this case the office of prophet has been done away. However, what I contend is based upon the 2 following verses: 1 Cor 13:8 - Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. Cor 13:13- But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. Does not vs. 8 state that "if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away"? If so, doesn't this impact and negate the gift/role of prophet? I think so. In vs. 13 there are only 3 remaining- faith, hope , and love. Absent are prophecy, tongues and knowledge! Why only these 3? If prophecy is still in efect, why does Paul not mention them? I believe there is some grammatical support on this too! Additionally, I find little- if anything- in the rest of the Pauline Epistles that argue for the continuation of this office (other than Eph. 4:11). This has served to convince me that the cessationist view certainly more than not, holds merit:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | Morant61 | 194472 | ||
Greetings Brad! Thanks for the response my friend! One question that your post raises is why, if Paul understood that prophets and prophecy had ceases, he would in the very next chapter give directions for the practice of this office and gift. ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194483 | ||
Hi Tim, As I view it, there is a transition happening during this period of Acts that coincides with the writing of 1 Corinthians. The gifts had not yet ended at the time Paul writes 1 Corinthians (obviously). Yet, in 13:8 he says that love (which is not a "sign" gift) "never fails". I believe the Greek verb 'pistei' translated can mean "become null and void". The overall characteristic God desires in the life of believers is love.(13:1,13) Other temporary gifts will be done away with, cease and end, but love is permanent! With respect to prophecies, Paul says, "They will be done away". The Greek noun 'propheteiai' used in this context, refers to one of the early gifts given to members of the Church (Rom. 12:6, 1 Cor. 12:10, 13:2). The gift enabled those to whom it was given to recall and speak via the Spirit to those in local assemblies (cf 14:22, Eph. 3:5). The person who had the gift of prophecy edified, exhorted and taught believers (14:3-4, 33). My point is this: Even though gifts of prophecies were very important for establishing the Church, Paul says, "they will be done away". The verb here translated "they will be done away" is in the future tense and passive voice, which means that God -who gave them - will remove (cancel, make null)them. With the completion of the Canon of Scripture, this gift was (and is) no longer necessary. So, the question as to exactly WHEN these gifts cease (or ceased) is answered.(Heb. 1:1-2) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | CDBJ | 194487 | ||
Hi Brad, I agree with you conclusion. How can one distinguish between what is truth and what is false unless it coincides with known Scripture; thus why the need for “prophets”? The Bible clearly tells us that there “will be” false prophets. Matthew 7:15 (KJV) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 24:11 (KJV) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:24 (KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mark 13:22 (KJV) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Luke 6:26 (KJV) Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. 2 Peter 2:1 (KJV) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 1 John 4:1 (KJV) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. The way I see it; why are prophets of truth needed since we have the completed Cannon of Scripture and it’s the work of the Holy Spirit that reveals this truth! CDBJ |
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