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1 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | Val | 213989 | ||
Dear Bill, actually salvation is not based on works and deeds. It is a free gift. The bema seat of Christ is different from the great white throne judgment. I wouldn't disparage the label Christian and born again either since it was Christ himself who said "ye must be born again". A person who is evil is not born again. Could a person who is a christian sometimes do evil things? Yes they could. A person who has a saving faith is placed In Christ. Does that make him perfect and one who never sins again? No he still sins as long as he is on this earth. Your theology is so much like most of the world who ignore the whole counsel of God and think that in the end of their lives God will put on the scales; one side the good they did and on the other side the bad they did. If the good they did outweighs the bad they get to go in the pearly gates. Wrong. James is saying that a genuine faith produces right actions and deeds. James shows us what a genuine faith looks like. He is not promoting a works salvation. The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the gospel. Whoever believes that God sent Jesus for this purpose has eternal life. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. There is a responsibility of one who professes belief in Christ and that is to walk worthy of their calling. There is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. It all comes down to Christ and His finished work on the cross. It is Christ who saves, who justifies, who intercedes. It is all about Him not us. Sincerely, Val | ||||||
2 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | bill0624 | 213991 | ||
Val, we will simply have to agree to disagree. :) Being saved, according to Jesus himself, is based upon works, doing (not believing) the will of God. The devil and his minions believe that God sent Jesus, so belief is simply not enough. I simply don't agree that it all depends on Jesus' cross, as important as that was. Jesus called, not for belief in his death (in fact, even his own disciples didn't believe he would die), but for obedience. The focus of the Great Comission is not upon "believing" but upon teaching disciples to OBEY Jesus' teachings. I respectfully submit that it doesn't matter what the church traditionally teaches about salvation (Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox). What matters is what JESUS said about salvation and he never separated belief in him from works. In fact, he said, "Why do you call me 'Lord' when you don't obey what I tell you." Professing Jesus as Lord is simply not enough. Practicing Jesus as Lord is what he desires. | ||||||
3 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | Val | 213996 | ||
Dear Bill, then you don't know what "grace" is. This is exactly why Jesus died on the cross for our sins because we are incapable of being, obeying Christ to the point of saving ourselves. It is by grace we are saved not by works lest any man should boast. You seem to want to argue against people who profess to be Christians who do not look like Christians and act like Christians. Has anyone ever told you you don't look like a Christian or act like a Christian. We must understand how salvation comes about, that it is totally a work of Christ from start to finish. Our righteousness is as filthy rages even the best of us. That is why Christ had to die and take our place to pay the debt for our sins. Obedience is something that happens after that first step of obedience of faith, belief, trust in Christ and his finished work on the cross. Believing He is who He said He is. That he died for our sins, took our place, paid our price, ransomed us, and redeemed us from the penalty of sin. That God raised Him from the dead, a bodily resurrection which showed that God was pleased with his sacrifice. The Holy Spirit seals us until the redemption of the body. The Holy Spirit helps us to walk in the Spirit. To be holy as Christ is holy. It’s a free gift. Its grace. It has nothing to do with how good we are. If you ignore the church's teachings, those great saints that have gone before us, who are you listening to? If you say the bible, then what does Galatians say? It’s all about grace. We are saved by grace through faith alone. Grace is what God did for us, giving his only begotten son to suffer and die on a cruel cross paying for our sins - the wages of sin is death -. His sacrifice was pleasing to God - we read in Hebrews. His sacrifice took away the guilt of our sins so that we can be free In Him. God raised Jesus from the dead showing He was pleased with His sacrifice, showing that the sin price was paid, showing that Christ brought about salvation for all who believe in His name. I too was like you at one time, demanding that the sins of others, they had to stop, they were not good enough, they didn't understand that being a Christian meant not smoking, drinking, dancing, and on and on. Its was nothing but a warped view of grace. Grace is what God bestows on whomever He pleases not who I please. Is obedience important, of course, absolutely, definitely, but obedience is after salvation. And if one stumbles and falls, He isn't thrown out of the family. He is encouraged to learn, to repent, to walk in the Spirit. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; have you been saved, it is a gift of God not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 |
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4 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | bill0624 | 214005 | ||
Quote Paul all you like, Val. Paul isn't Jesus. They obviously disagreed about how someone is saved. Again, I'll stick with Jesus. | ||||||
5 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | Val | 214009 | ||
Paul was appointed an Apostle by Jesus. | ||||||
6 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | bill0624 | 214011 | ||
Sure he was. But we are "Christians", not "Paulians". Or we should be. | ||||||
7 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | Val | 214013 | ||
Again the whole counsel of God, the bible is our plumbline. You do not believe in the whole counsel of God if I hear you correctly. I do. Sincerely, Val | ||||||
8 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | bill0624 | 214017 | ||
You're correct, Jesus' teachings are my plumbline. For example, what if I wanted to know what to do with my enemies? If I followed Moses or Joshua, I would go kill them, women, children, cattle, etc. Wipe 'em all out. But if I follow Jesus on this, he says to love my enemies, to do good to them. Quite different from Moses' and Joshua's take, doncha think? So, no, I don't believe that the Bible is my plumbline. It is meant, according to Paul, to encourage us to good works - 2 Tim 3:16,17. |
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9 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | Val | 214026 | ||
Where do you see Moses or Joshua being told to kill their enemies? Could you provide the passage? We need to look at it in context. Thanks, Val | ||||||
10 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | bill0624 | 214029 | ||
Sure, Val. Here are a few references: Numbers 31 Numbers 35 Joshua 6:16,17,20,21 Joshua 8:1,2,24-26 Joshua 10:28-41 These are just a few. But they do serve do demonstrate how Jesus' teachings of loving one's enemies was not "authoritative" in the OT. |
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11 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | Val | 214037 | ||
Dear Bill, Numbers 31 The Slaughter of Midian 1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 "Take full vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites; afterward you will be gathered to your people." 3 Moses spoke to the people, saying, "Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go] against Midian to execute the LORD'S vengeance on Midian. Dear Bill: Notice that the LORD spoke to Moses. The LORD gave a specific command to Moses which was for the sons of Israel to go to war against Midian. Since this is a specific command for a specific time period for a specific people, I don’t know how you can get from this that Christians are to kill their enemies. No where is that implied here. Numbers 35: 29 'These things shall be for a statutory ordinance to you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. Again this command from the LORD is to a specific group of people – the sons of Israel. The nation of Israel came from Abraham. Abraham’s son was Isaac. Isaac’s son was Jacob. The LORD changed Jacob’s name to Israel. Israel had twelve sons. Their descendants are called the sons of Israel. So again this was for a specific nation at a particular time in history and does not mention Christians. How you get that I don’t know. I could go on but I think the same examples will go through Joshua as well since he was chosen to lead the people into the promised land. The land flowing with milk and honey. Bill, I respectfully submit that you know not what you are speaking about. I guess you have a point to make. Is that point this: that you believe the God of the Old Testament- in which we see God’s judgment- is not the God of the New Testament? I think you will see that there is a judgment day for God’s enemies just as there was in the Old Testament there is coming a day when God will judge His enemies of the present day. Do you believe in a literal hell? I am guessing you don’t. I pray the Lord will open your eyes Bill to the truth of the gospel. Sincerely, Val |
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12 | What does judgement look like | 2 Cor 5:10 | bill0624 | 214058 | ||
Exodus 20:13 - "You shall not murder." And yet, under Moses' and Joshua's leadership, this is exactly what we see Israel continually doing to its enemies. |
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