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1 | Acts 2:2 | 1 Cor 14:6 | mark d seyler | 172352 | ||
Hi Doc, Unfortunately, I do not have the time to give a complete analysis of Dr. Robert Zerhusen's article, however, I will say this, and you can let me know if you agree or not. He makes the presumption that the gift of interpretation is not a spiritual gift, but acts according to the abilities and intellect of the interpreter. From that, he "demonstrates" that the gift if tongues is not a spiritual gift because if people were actually speaking supernaturally to God, then their speech would not be able to be "naturally" interpreted. So he has knocked down a straw man, but how does that help us to learn what Paul meant? He makes the argument that it can't be from God because not everyone gets it. What?? He equates "the language of angels" to "glossolalic-language", and then goes on to say that Paul didn't even really mean ACTUALLY speaking in the tongues of angels. He quotes someone names Meyer who says Paul wrote in "an imaginary case to heighten the contrast". I wonder what else is imaginary?? Dr Zerhusen wrote "Careful examination of the text of 1 Corinthians 14 reveals that Paul never explicitly states whether or not the language-speaker knew or understood the language that he was using." Well, I suppose he's technically correct, but Paul did say, (1 Co 14:14) "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful." Is there a question what Paul had in mind? His spirit prays, but his mind does not benefit from what his spirit prays. Why? Because his mind does not know what his spirit prays. Why? Because his mind does not know the language of his spirit's prayer. As I understand his article, (and I will confess, it is quite lengthy, and I have not read all of it), he is "debunking" the entire supernatural aspect of this portion of Scripture, concerning tongues, and prophecies, and the interpretation of tongues. But it leaves me wondering - how did he miss that big first clue to what he was about to read: "Now concerning pneumatikon, I would not have you ignorant." Dr. Zerhusen has written quite a few words to show us how these things aren't "pneumatikon" after all. Doc, you can disagree with my interpretation of Scripture, and even better if you can give a textual demonstration of where I am in error, but it does nothing to advance our understanding or fellowship to denigrate my doctrinal understanding of Scripture as "my particular tradition." If you were to examine a Greek Lexicon, it will demonstrate over and over how the context of a word will affect its usage and meaning. Take for instance moraino - its used of the savor of salt, and the folly of the world. Well, time's up. Love in Christ, Mark yeah - it was definately adding a variable! :-) |
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2 | Acts 2:2 | 1 Cor 14:6 | Jayell | 172394 | ||
There was much division at Corinth, some followed Paul or Apollos or Peter and some Jesus (1 Cor 1:12). And there stands the the focus of Paul, there was division concerning leaders, marriage (Ch.7),eating foods (Ch.8), the Lord's supper (Ch. 10,11) and even as today, spiritual gifts. Just as the Corinthians we are still ignorant of Paul's purpose. "There are diversities, operations, differences of administrations." (12:4,5,6) But Paul ends each by saying, "The same Spirit, the same Lord and same God which worketh all in all. Why would Paul tell them not to be ignorant concerning spiritual gifts? (12:1) The reason for so much attention on tongues is due to their previous lifestyle (12:2). which involved supposed supernatural interaction with a diety, induced through hypnotic chants. Apperantly some church members were repeating this during service. Paul makes that clear from (14:6-11), Satan has always been a master counterfeitor, being an angel tongues came easy to him (13:1). But Paul knew of something that Satan or his angels couldn't touch: THRUTH AND LOVE. Since the the thruth is not in him (John 8:44)cf. 1 Cor 12:3. And Love because he who loves follows Christ (8:3,13:13) Paul didn't focus an any gift in particular, his letter is about Love and Unity. If we let the Love of God rule in our hearts; then and only then will we be in ONE mind and ONE accord (Eph 3:17-21). When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: BUT when I became a man, I put away childish things (1 Cor 13:11). Let us all listen to Paul and follow after Love and have a desire for gifts and remember: THAT GOD GIVES ACCORDING TO HIS WILL! (1 COR 12:11) |
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3 | Acts 2:2 | 1 Cor 14:6 | mark d seyler | 172395 | ||
Hi Jayell, Thank you! Service and love are truly the correct perspective on this issue. 1 Corinthians 14:12 “Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.” To the same degree that you want spiritual gifts, seek to excel at building up the church, your Christian brothers and sisters around you. Each place that discusses the spiritual gifts opens with an admonition to humility. Pursue love. Desire the abilities to perform beyond what you are able to do. Don’t be alarmed, if in the course of ministering to the body, you find yourself in over your head. Expect the empowerment from the Holy Spirit, to enable you to do the work He has led you to do. Expect to be enabled by the gifting of the Holy Spirit, as we are humbly yielded, to go far beyond our natural abilities. Love in Christ, mark |
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