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1 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153753 | ||
Hi terrib, You wrote that "this very Spirit continues to witness to us..." You are leaving out the word "spirit" which is in the Greek. If in your mind you want to capitalize "the Spirit of adoption" as in the NKJ would you also agree with the "bears witness with our spirit" of verse 16? I desire to connect the (s)Spirit of adoption and our spirit in verse 16 as talking about the same thing. I don't believe that you would capitalize "our Spirit" in verse 16 to agree with the Spirit of adoption. I also don't believe that you would go with KJ and consider "The Spirit itself beareth witness to our spirit". 1) As far as your saying that "the agent that brought us into this family is the Holy Spirit", I agree whole heartedly. I have no problem with the His Spirit indwelling us or being led by the Spirit of God found in the previous verses. However, I still continue to believe in the Giver and the gift. The Spirit indwells us and gives us the gift of the *spirit which we receive. 1 Corinthians 12:4, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit." 2) 1 John 4:2, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the *spirit of (God): every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." John 8:47, "He who is of God hears the words of (God); for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God." 48 The Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?" 49 Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon;..." Please excuse my parentheses which I put in for comparisons. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | terrib | 153755 | ||
Ray, Just a thought. Have you tried substituting the word Ghost for the word Spirit where they are the same and use the word spirit where it talks about man's spirit. Maybe that would lesson some of the confusion. Either way, please remember to use an Authoritative version whenever you quote to any other forum member. If sometimes it is confusing to you just think what it would do to someone who is not aware of your ties to capitalization. terrib |
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3 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153782 | ||
Hi terrib, If there is confusion between us it might revolve around the "man's spirit" that you spoke of here. Just because I put spirit in a lower case does not mean that I am talking about man's spirit. The spirit that we receive is God's spirit. For instance, Ezekiel 36:26, "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." Ezekiel 36:27 is where I would have people consider continuing with the lower case spirit so I would put a star next to it or indicate a choice in interpretation can be made. Verse 27, "And I will put My (s)Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes,..." Thus a choice of interpretation is offered. Or, I would put a star next to the word to show that I have made a choice that differs from the NASB that I am quoting. Verse 27, "And I will put My *spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes..." I have always tried to make my interpretations clear (that they are my interpretation) and have not tried to deceive in any way. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | terrib | 153785 | ||
Ray, Then you think God's spirit is different from the Holy Spirit? terrib |
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5 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 154884 | ||
Hi terrib, I was led to Job 34:14 this morning. You understand that God's spirit is different from the Holy Spirit simply by looking at the different cases (lower and upper). Job 34:14 shows how we can interpret these things differently when we look at the NASB and the NKJ. Job 34:14, NASB, "If He should determine [Lit. set His mind on Himself] to do so, If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath, 15 All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust." Job 34:14, NKJ, "If He should set His heart on it, If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath, 15 All flesh would perish togeteher, And man would return to dust." So, personally I go with the NASB and "His spirit and His breath." The Greek word "pneuma" means wind, spirit, or breath. I see no reason to confuse the verse with both lower and upper cases. 1) And yet, I see a difference between the Giver and the gift, the Spirit and the gift of breath. For Job 33:4 I have no problem with a capital "Spirit" and a lower case breath of life. Job 33:4, "The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." 2) I see a difference between the "breath of life" in Genesis 2:7, 6:17, and 7:14,22 and "the breath of life from God", Revelation 11:11. 3) I see a difference between the wind that blows where it wishes, John 3:8; and the Spirit who works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills, 1 Corinthians 12:11. From the heart, Ray |
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