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1 | No Sin / No Repentance / No understandin | John 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 219771 | ||
Hi, Colton... I did not choose John 3:16, rather that was chosen, I think, by the first person to answer the original question. Salvation is a work of God. Certainly in the usual order of salvation (ordo salutis) a minimum amount of knowledge must exist. I do not believe, however, that we can quantify what that minimum must be. Furthermore, although a person may not have committed a specific act of sin, the fallen nature is inherited. Consequently, salvation is still necessary for anyone who is of the seed of Adam (Romans 5:12). Therefore, if those who fail to survive to birth are saved, their salvation must be through Christ alone (Acts 4:12; 1 John 5:11-12). The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, chapter ten ("Of Effectual Calling") says in paragraph three, "Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit (John 3:3, 5, 6); Who works when, and where, and how He pleases (John 3:8); so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word." This seems to fit what Scripture reveals. After quite a bit of studied thought and instruction, I am comfortable with this assertion -- so long as the qualifying words used by the old divines are not sidestepped or mitigated. In Him, Doc |
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2 | Truth or Consequences | John 3:16 | coltonjunior | 219775 | ||
You are a very well versed intellectual Doc as I am seeing by your reference, not to Biblical text, but to some 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, chapter ten ("Of Effectual Calling"). I did go to your reference verse of John 3:3, 5,6, and did not understand that particular biblical verse meant that ELECT infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit. What about the UNELECTED infants? I will repeat the assertion that BradK so nicely stated. I hope that GOD has made provisions for an aborted fetus to receive Christ in the womb, and therefore be received into Heaven. I believe that there are no Biblical Scriptures that ascribe to this as being true. I could write a book stating anything as true, but would it make it true just because I wrote a book about it? Let's go within, where the image of GOD dwells within us all, and get the answers to all truths, written or unwritten, and have GOD then validate it through divine revelation. Let's get our ego's out of the way, humble ourselves, and let the divine EGO give us the truthful and honest answers we all desire to have. Thank you and may GOD Bless everyone using studybibleforum.com. | ||||||
3 | Truth or Consequences | John 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 219777 | ||
Dear Colton, The divines of the 1689 LBCF referenced the Scriptures on which they were basing their confessional statements. You asked, "What about the UNELECTED infants?" (sic) I would commend you to the first two paragraphs of the LBCF if you are interested. The entire document is available online. For a response to your question, however, here is the paragraph that follows that which I've already cited: "Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit (Matthew 22:14; 13:20-21; Hebrews 6:4-5), yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved (John 6:44-45, 65; 1 John 2:24-25): much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved, be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess (Acts 4:12; John 4:22; 17:3)." --1689 LBCF, chapter 10, paragraph 4 In Him, Doc PS I am getting the distinct impression that you are not so much making inquiries, as that you have an axe to grind. If you are confessional, you might go ahead and cite your own tenants along with the Scriptures on which they are based. I'd suggest you also look up the specific sources that others cite, demonstrating a genuine deference to their learning. |
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4 | Truth or Consequences | John 3:16 | coltonjunior | 219790 | ||
Blessings my dear Doc: GOD has told me personally, that everything that I read or hear from any source, must be validated by HIM as truth or untruth. The validation that I am talking about has nothing to do with intellectual knowledge or information from any written words in a book. "THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. (2Corinthians 3:6)" I don't believe what Matthew Mark, Luke, or John wrote in the bible is true just because it is in the bible. It must be validated by the HOLY SPIRIT within me. I need confirmation from a SINLESS SOURCE. I just can't blindly believe what is written in a book just because it is written in a book. You may be telling perfect indisputable truth, but I must first pass it by GOD for confirmation before I will accept it. You really don't want me to blindly believe what you tell me just because you are telling me? You would want me to do some further investigation to validate the information you have set before me. I know that Jeremiah 31:33-34 holds true not only for the Jews, but now for the Gentiles as well. ""33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."" Direct communication, and if GOD leads me to the library or to a person for further investigation into truths, known or unknown, I will follow his promptings. Just because what I believe to be true cannot be backed up by scriptures, or by anything anyone has written, does not mean that it is not true. That's why GOD gives us the gift of insight. Jesus said that "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the Light" (John 14:6); and by that light I am shown the truth in all things, written or unwritten. I do not have an axe to grind, I don't know you personally, so don't take it personally. Tell me the truth, that's all I ask, and if I dispute it, that's my issue to get to the bottom of it. Thank you for all of your help. |
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5 | Truth or Consequences | John 3:16 | DocTrinsograce | 219792 | ||
Dear Colton, We are a forum based on sola Scriptura. We can explain that to you in greater detail if you like. Basically, we believe in the verbal plenary inspiration of the Word of God. We do not believe that the Scriptures derive their authority by the work of the Holy Spirit. Rather that our personal and individual "full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth, and divine authority [of the Bible], is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts." Consequently, we start with the sure foundation of the Word of God as "the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience." We've quoted it often enough on the forum over the years, but it seems appropriate to quote it once more. Charles Spurgeon once commented to a group of young seminarians, "Of course, you are not such wiseacres as to think of ways that you can expound Scripture without assistance from the works of divines and learned men who have labored before you in the field of exposition. If you are of that opinion, pray remain so, for you are not worth the trouble of conversion, and like a little coterie who think with you, would resent the attempt as an insult to your infallibility. It seems odd, that certain men who talk so much of what the Holy Spirit reveals to themselves, should think so little of what He has revealed to others." Similar to your rejection of all pastors, teachers, and theologians of the last twenty centuries, we will find little value in the personal experiences of someone claiming revelation apart from the church (Ephesians 4:11). As the Holy Spirit declares, these are the means of equipping He uses for maturing in Christ-likeness (Ephesians 4:12-13). Thereby, "...we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming" (Ephesians 4:14). In Him, Doc |
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6 | Truth or Consequences | John 3:16 | coltonjunior | 219794 | ||
Wow, you got back to me pretty quickly. I guess I am no match for you Doc. Your holy spirit has outmatched mine, or lack thereof. You are definitly superior to me on an intellectual level. I love your quote of Ephesians 4:12, 13, 14. You quoted a lot of things in the first paragraph of your answer to my note. Since you didn't back them up with any scripture passages from the bible or any other book, I have to assume that these are your personal thoughts which I find refreshing, whether I agree or disagree. I didn't know that you were the official spokeperson of studybibleforum.com, as you didn't keep things in the "I" context, but you used "WE." I have noticed that their have been some disagreements between people, I'm sure you have had your share of disagreements since you've been a part of studybibleforum.com. If I remember correctly, Paul, Peter, and James did not agree on everything. I thank you for your time and effort in attempting to enlightening me on truths that you have discovered, no matter how you came about to discover these truths. I will definitely take Ephesians 4:12, 13, 14 to heart. My goal in all of this is to get to the truth, and to know the truth, and to become CHRIST-LIKE through it all. I thank you for your help in my endeavor. |
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7 | Truth or Consequences | John 3:16 | Beja | 219815 | ||
Colton, you have stated that when you read scripture, your practice is to pray and see if it agrees with the Holy Spirit inside you. I would submit this scripture to you for you to pray over. 2 Timothy 3:14-17 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." I would ask you to ask a few questions as you pray over this passage. From where does it say that Timothy has learned the things he is sure of? Isn't it the sacred writings? Does this teach that all scripture is inspired? Or does it teach some of it is mixed with error? Where does this teach that we learn all the things we ought about walking in life as a Christian? In Christ, Beja |
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8 | Inspired to Understand and Recognize | John 3:16 | coltonjunior | 219822 | ||
Did you read this part because it stands out like a sore thumb, I'm going to capitalize it not meaning to shout ""KNOWING FROM WHOM YOU HAVE LEARNED THEM, AND THAT FROM CHILDHOOD YOU HAVE KNOWN"" Now Beja, I know your counter-punch. You are going to tell me that Timothy was taught the scriptures during his childhood. When does infancy end and childhood begin? The interpretation I get from this passage is that Timothy already knew the truth that the sacred writings are saying. When Timothy read the sacred writings, it was a confirmation of the truth that was already in his heart. It was not a new discovery for Timothy. It was new in a sense that he recognized it for the first time, but it awakened something that was already in him at the time of his be taught the sacred writings. "ALL SCRIPTURES ARE INSPIRED BY GOD," but the inspiration to understand it and recognize it, that's an inspiration as well. You say Timothy learned everything from the sacred writings. I say it was already written in his mind and in his heart to understand and recognize the truth the sacred writings are talking about. (Ops, I sent this as a question, and I'm going to get banded from studybibleforum.com by the leaders of this sect. I will go back and send it as a note, sorry for the mistake.) | ||||||
9 | Inspired to Understand and Recognize | John 3:16 | Beja | 219823 | ||
I'm not sure I caught an answer in that. Perhaps you did, let me recap and see if I read you correctly. Timothy already knew it, and when he came to this scripture he found it to be true with what he already knew, or perhaps recognized it for the first time though its truth was already hidden in his heart? Is that correct? If that is correct then what you are saying is that what this passage says IS TRUE, and timothy recognized it as such. Therefore if the passage is true that has certain implications does it not? That means that the scriptures were inspired by God, is true. I disagree with you as to how Timothy came to it, but even if Timothy was recognizing a truth he already knew then it is still a truth, and it says something that we are affirming as true. And that something it is saying is that all scripture is true and trustworthy! If THAT is true, then we need not test all scripture by Holy Spirit given feelings, but we must rather try to understand it, knowing that a right reading of scripture yields trustworthy authoritative truth. Because that is the truth Timothy discovered, attested to, or found true, etc. In Christ Beja |
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10 | Holy vs. Unholy | John 3:16 | coltonjunior | 219824 | ||
You and I are not that far from agreeing on this subject. The disagreement comes from how truth is recognized. I say yes, we do need to test all scripture by Holy Spirit Feelings, as you have stated. I apologize if you interpreted me saying the opposite, and I apologize if it seems as if I am contradicting myself. I don't mean to do so. Please help me to understand. If the Holy Spirit Feelings tells us it's true, then it is true, because the Holy Spirit Feelings tells us so. But everyone isn't guided by Holy Spirit Feelings such as you and I, so how do they recognize truth when it is presented to them? Do they blindly believe anything that it written, and/or do they have ""UNHOLY SPIRIT" feelings? | ||||||
11 | Holy vs. Unholy | John 3:16 | Beja | 219826 | ||
Scripture is true, because scripture is true. All scripture is true because all scripture is true. This is what it means when it says all scripture is inspired by God. The given, is that scripture is true. God's Holy Spirit does not affirm some scripture as true, and other scripture is not true. God's Holy Spirit confirms the truth of scripture in its entirety as a whole category. Now, that being said can scripture be preached wrongly, to where it misses what a passage was saying and therefore be preached wrongly? Absolutely. So, the way I'm going to take your question is as if you had said, "Given that scripture is true, how do we know we are interpreting it correctly?" First, the Holy Spirit does indeed guide us through this. As Paul says in 1st Corinthians spiritual things are indeed discerned by the guidance of the Spirit. Second though we know that scripture does not contradict itself. How do we know this? Because all scripture is inspired by God, and God is not going to give contradictory messages when they are rightly understood. So whenever we look at any single passage, we have every other scripture in the Bible to guide us in what it can be saying, because it is informed in light of them, and it can not be contradictory to any of them. So how do we know? We study it hard in light of scripture, we pray for guidance, and it is this which God will be present with to guide us to all truth. So what we are armed with for telling the truth of scripture is the scripture. In 1 John 4, John tells us that we are to test the spirits, because many false ones have gone out. What does this mean? It means, as you have stated, many have false spirits guiding their reading rather than the Holy Spirit. But how do we know which is leading us, Holy or false? John here says we are to know by whether it matches what we know and confess to be true, that Jesus is God in the flesh. Now, I do not think he means here to limit it only to that one test, God in flesh. Rather he is giving us an iron principle, that we test the spirtual guidance in us, by the truth of scripture. The Holy spirit will not lead us contrary to Christ and the apostles' teaching. So how this plays out, is that we constantly pray and test everything as to whether it matches scripture, and in the midst of this the Holy Spirit will guide us to do so. It does not guide us in a vacuum, it guides us as we interpret scripture with other scripture. In Christ, Beja |
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12 | Holy vs. Unholy | John 3:16 | coltonjunior | 219829 | ||
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