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1 | once saved always saved | John 10:28 | John Reformed | 76207 | ||
Jude 1:21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. Keeping oneself in the love of God is simply the the actions we take that reinforce our knowledge and experience of God's love for His adopted children. It entails things like standing on His promises: Heb 13:5 "Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, "I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,". John |
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2 | once saved always saved | John 10:28 | New Creature | 76216 | ||
John I don't mean this to sound cruel or mean. But it appears at least to me that you are diluting the intended meaning of Jude 21. Even when you make the quotes "I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,". That is true. But is that the whole of the matter or only the half? I believe those quotes are accurate. It's true that God will never forsake us or leave us. The other half, which some never take the time to ask is. Can the believer ever forsake Him, or leave him. I think Heb. 6:4-6 makes it absolutely clear that it is not God that forsakes or leaves us, but us, that forsake or leave God. If we are admoished to "keep ourselves in the love of God" why the warning, if the possiblity of being separated, from his love is impossible, imagined, or hypothetical as some believe? Just by simply looking at Jude 6 I could ask: were the angels who adandoned their abode, created evil? Did not God say that everything He created was good? So if it was created good by God, and was initially good, how did it become bad? I read where it was the angels who 1) did not keep their own domain 2) abandoned their proper abode, and now are reserved in bonds impending judgement. And how about the other 2/3 of the angels who did not abandon their abode? How was it that they remained in God's love and the other 1/3 did not? It wasn't God who abandoned them, they abandoned God, and they were at one time in His very presence, how much more likely is it for someone like us who have never been in His presence in the same sense as these angels to abandon the God who never Himself abandons anyone? Blessings New Creature |
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3 | once saved always saved | John 10:28 | John Reformed | 76221 | ||
Dear New Creature, You ask; "And how about the other 2/3 of the angels who did not abandon their abode?" 1Ti 5:21 "I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality." God's "elect" or "chosen" angels are kept in same way we are by God Himself who is "able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,". INVICTUS - WILLIAM ERNEST HENLEY Out of the night that covers me Black as the Pit from pole to pole I thank Whatever god may be for my unconquerable soul In the foul stench of circumstance, I have not winced, nor cried aloud, In the faint bludgeonings of chance, My head is Bloody but unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears, Looms but the horror of the shade But the menace of the years finds, And shall find me, unafraid. It matters not how strait the gate how charged with punishments the Scroll I am the master of my Fate I am the captain of my Soul This hero of human invincibilty was an unrepentant atheist. But if you desire to place your hope for salvation in your own ability, I can't force you not to. I'm content to trust in the power of God. Perhaps I'm just one of those feeble saints that don't trust their own selves. John |
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4 | once saved always saved | John 10:28 | New Creature | 76228 | ||
Are you implying now that we have become saved we have no responibilty? You probably are in agreement with the saying - "Just let go and let God" which I personally believe is unscriptural. Study the word believe in Scripture and you will see that believe is a verb in most instances, implying action. Now that we believe, we need to CONTINUE an ongoing attitude of belief. Do you believe that we should not any longer exercise our faith? Now that you are saved should we be passive in our faith? I believe we should be pro-active in our faith. We see from Matt. 7:21 that; only those which DO the will of the Father shall enter heaven. Notice the word DO. I believe that implys the genuine believer must be DOING His will. That is the difference between mere professors and those who are possessors Grace Peace and Love New Creature |
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5 | once saved always saved | John 10:28 | John Reformed | 76266 | ||
Good Morning, "I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish" (unless....?) John 10:28 I do no not subscribe to "let go and let God". But my faith is in Christ and not in myself. He is the author of my faith. He will finish that which He began. I am safely in the palm of His hand. I am an elect child of God. And as such, it is no longer I that live but it is Christ who lives in me. Does that make Christ a puppeteer? God forbid any such blasphemy! Some people think that if it can't be grasped by human reason it can't be true. As I said, If you cherish your independance so highly and prefer to believe that you are the master of your own fate...what can I say? The fact that it is God in me, who gives me holy desires and causes me to groan over my my sins and long for heaven does not mean I am a puppet. The good works I do are those which God prepared for me to do before I was born! It is my blessed assurance that I have a new heart. Just because I cannot explain the mystery of God's Soveriegnty and man's responsibility does'nt mean that this relationship does not exist. It is enough for me that the Bible says that is so. At least you are consistant. Many who believe that man saves himself by accepting Christ deny that they are then able to reject Him. I wonder, do you believe we will be free to rebel after we are glorified as well? Or does glorification make us into puppets or robots? John |
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6 | once saved always saved | John 10:28 | New Creature | 76271 | ||
John First let me say that I respect your beliefs, even if I don't see it the same way as you do. Secondly you asked "At least you are consistant. Many who believe that man saves himself by accepting Christ deny that they are then able to reject Him. I wonder, do you believe we will be free to rebel after we are glorified as well? Or does glorification make us into puppets or robots?" I don't believe that those who enter glorification will rebel. I can't say as whether or not that freedom will have been removed at that time. I do know that nothing that defiles will be allowed to enter the kingdom of heaven. And I do read of the 1/3 of the angels that were at one time in His very presence which seemingly had the freedom to remain faithful or rebel. What I disagree with you is your view of election, of angels or individuals. "If you desire a brief statement on my view of election the following quotes I found are quotes that I tend to agree with. "As stated earlier, we believe that soteriological election is corporate and not particular. [For two thorough studies on this see The New Chosen People and Elect in the Son.] Jesus Christ and those "in Christ" (i.e. the Church) are the elect. Also, in the Bible, God’s foreknowledge always precedes His choosing. We think that exegetically this means exactly what it says, to know before the fact (i.e. foreseen faith). It never signifies, intrinsically, to predetermine, or to love, or to favor beforehand; but always to foreknow or prerecognize. [See the word study on this and other key words in God’s Strategy in Human History.] And to know something either in advance or after the fact is clearly not the cause of its happening (i.e. believing in or rejecting Christ). In Romans 8:28-30, it is not the purpose of the apostle to show or declare the surety of any particular individual’s passing through the stages of this scheme, but to show the indestructible and absolute surety of the scheme itself. The ark in Noah’s day was unconditionally predestined to outride the deluge, but it depended upon each person’s choosing to enter and remain within the ark as to whether he or she would be saved." (source unknown) Finally concerning relationships - My belief is that they are bi-lateral, not unilateral. He in me, and I in Him, (John15)there is an interconnectedness in this personal relationship which we have with our Risen Lord Jesus Christ. Grace Peace and Love New Creature |
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