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1 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Country Girl | 132672 | ||
One more little tidbit that a lot of people don't seem to notice about this controversy of the Holy Spirit descending on Cornelius and his family is this. We should remember that when the HS fell on the Apostles "with cloven tongues of fire," they too HAD NOT been baptized either. As a matter of fact, it's NOT absolutely clear in scripture that ALL of the Apostles were indeed baptized but I have to believe they were. How could they preach this new Gift of Salvation based on obedience to God if they all had not obeyed God's Terms and Conditions themselves? We do know for a fact that Apostle Paul was baptized to receive salvation so that's good enough for me. Just my two cents' worth. You'll probably want some change back...;-) Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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2 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Hank | 132689 | ||
Country Girl: To make a small point contrary to your conclusion, it is clear from Scripture that "there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. And they were ALL filled with the Holy Spirit..." (from Acts 2:2-4). It is perfectly clear from Acts 1:13 that all the Apostles except Judas Iscariot were present. And 1:26 rounds the number out to twelve with the choosing of Matthias to replace Iscariot. Thus is becomes clear that on the day of Pentecost there was a full component of Apostles, i.e., 12, who were "ALL filled with the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:4). --Hank | ||||||
3 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Country Girl | 132692 | ||
Hank: My point of my previous post was that of baptism. It CANNOT be proven that ALL of the Apostles were indeed baptised when it is clear that they were preaching it to be saved. We are left to infer that just like they baptized Cornelius and his family, they themselves must have been baptized so as to be consistent with their preaching. But notice further, this dispensation started the phase of baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost after the resurrection of Jesus. John the Baptist's baptism wasn't good enough as shown later on in Acts. Thus while Christ was alive, He truly WAS the King of the Jews and could bestow ANYTHING He chose on whomever He chose. So the thief didn't need to be baptized to get into Paradise. The Lord "punched his ticket" before both of them died. The Lord's Last Will and Testament had NOT been executed and therefore baptism wasn't authorized until after the Perfect Sacrifice was made. It is a good conclusion that this watery baptism is the one baptism as mentioned in Eph 4 as it's the only one that is common to ALL christians for all time since the start. Blessings to you. Good to hear from you. Country Girl |
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4 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Hank | 132694 | ||
Country Girl: You spoke of the commonality among Christians of "watery" baptism, but you didn't address the baptism of the Holy Spirit. What have you (better, what does Scripture have) to say to that? How does Scripture define the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and who receives it and when do they receive it? --Hank | ||||||
5 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Country Girl | 132697 | ||
You've probably already figured out that I believe only the Apostles, Cornelius and his family actually received the baptism of the Holy Spirit as those (Acts 2 and 10) are the only clear instances where people received such an unusual event. All other manifestations or demonstrations of miraculous powers from people other than the Apostles received those powers from the Apostles by the laying on the Apostles' hands. Consequently I believe the one single baptism that is available to everyone and thus must have been the one discussed by Paul is that of the watery grave of baptism as depicted in Rom 6. Do you have Scripture depicting something else? Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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6 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | kalos | 132702 | ||
"By one Spirit we were ALL baptized" NASB 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. |
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7 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Country Girl | 132715 | ||
Amen, dear friend, Amen!! That's my point. The ONLY baptism that we can KNOW for certain that ALL christians can and should take part in is the watery grave of baptism as suggested by Jesus Words to Nicodemus. Thanks for the supportive scripture. Country Girl |
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