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1 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | jelkins | 133052 | ||
Because of my very limited knowledge of Greek, I cannot confirm or deny your comments about the language. However, it seems logical that, for scripture in its translated form – in this case English, the English grammar rules should apply, and I would expect a Spanish version to follow Spanish grammar rules. Surely, the translators would have considered and compensated for the difference in grammar rules between the two languages. In any case, setting my argument for pronoun usage aside, I would still believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit was for only the Apostles because it was promised to them in John, they were told to wait for it in Luke, and in Acts 2:14, Peter stood up with the eleven; then said these are not drunk; then said, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel. (Should we also have some question whether or not “these” in Acts 2:15 applies to the eleven?) Miriam-Webster says: “Apposition, noun, 1 a : a grammatical construction in which two usually adjacent nouns having the same referent stand in the same syntactical relation to the rest of a sentence.” But, you’re not saying about Acts 2:38 that “repent” and “be baptized” have the same syntactical relation to the rest of the sentence. IMO, what you do say doesn’t quite have the ring of truth to it. If repentance is necessary to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, so is baptism. |
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2 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Morant61 | 133063 | ||
Greetings Jelkins! You can check the Greek in any legitimate Greek grammar. :-) You wrote: "If repentance is necessary to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, so is baptism." Yet, Acts 10:45 conclusively disproves this statement! :-) p.s. - Thanks for the correction! I did use the wrong term. Instead of 'appositional', I should have used 'parenthetical'. :-) You will have to excuse me my friend. I am not as young as I once was! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | jelkins | 133266 | ||
I make mistakes, too, and usually plead early onset of senility. Don't you wonder, if you are supposed to have been baptised with the Holy Spirit and have the same gift the Apostles and Cornelius had, why the HS would let you say anything that is in error? I expect it's time for me to find a legitimate Greek grammar and learn how to use it. I have been depending on a learned friend of mine to help me out in this area. You've talked me down, Tim. Practically everything I've said you've called "speculation," in spite of the fact that I gave you scripture to support all I said. At this point, I could only start repeating the things I've said in recent postings. I'll just ask our readers to refer to my notes under main topics "Why was the thief saved without baptism," 8/21/04, and "Created 'in' Christ," tms57mi, 6/16/03. Maybe I will think of something to say later that might persuade you to revisit my position that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was only for the Apostles. As I see it, you are teaching two baptisms instead of one, provided you do teach that water baptism is a command of our Lord that must be obeyed. :-) With sincere concern for those who could find themselves on the wrong end of II John 9. J. Elkins |
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4 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | Morant61 | 133267 | ||
Greetings Jelkins! I just had a birthday, so I might start claiming senility! :-) Concerning speculation my friend, I just have a very high standard for what I will accept as Scripture. If you could show me a Scripture that actually says that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was only for the Apostles then I would believe you. Until then, it is just speculation to claim something based only upon inferences. :-) I would be glad to pick the topic up later if you wish! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | why was the thief saved without baptism? | Luke 23:43 | jelkins | 133353 | ||
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