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1 | Do you believe once save, always saved. | Luke 23:43 | DarcyA | 95210 | ||
2 Peter 2:20 You hae taken that verse out of Context. To get the full context of a view Chuck Smith once said to have perfect vision 20/20 You must read 20 verses before 20 verses after. IF you read the whole Chapter these people were never saved. They knew the right path but rejected it. Instead gave false teaching/Prophecy. About they escaped the defilements of the world. We learn that the world blinds us 1Cor 4:4 Jesus opens up our eyes Psalms 146:8. Thus they escaped the world defilements by Jesus opening up their eyes to the gospel, they rejected it. Matt. 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. Matt. 7:14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Every one that ever heard that knew the right way. Jesus told them the way. Now just because they knew does it mean they were saved? God Bless Darcy |
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2 | Do you believe once save, always saved. | Luke 23:43 | Tuggy | 95879 | ||
I would like to suggest that you take a closer look at 2 Peter 2:20: "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are entangled again therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." I suggest we ask our selves some questions and allow the Bible to answer: 1. WHAT are the descriptions of those Peter is referring to? The answer is in verse 20: i. They have [at some time] ESCAPED THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD. ii. At some point, they had a knowledge of The Lord and Saviour. This knowledge enabled them to ESCAPE the corruptions of the world. Interestingly, Peter used the same expression to describe our salvation experience in the very same epistle, 2 Peter 1:3-4, to describe our salvation experience. The word "knowledge" as Peter uses it, does not mean a mere mental assent to God's existence. Rather, it entails having a saving relationship with God. iii. After they had escaped the corruptions of the world THROUGH Jesus, they are AGAIN... Don't miss that word "AGAIN." Here is a sequence: Saved because they have escaped the corruptions of the world; now, AGAIN... Again what? AGAIN ENTANGLED therein. Once they had escaped the corruption that is in the world (just like every person who accepts Jesus) through Jesus. Now, they are AGAIN ENTANGLED in the corruption or sin of the world. Notice that word ENTANGLED. It doesn't imply making mistakes as a Christian. It implies wilfull disobedience - a choice to love the world, and to be of the world. James 4:4 says: "...whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." iv. They are OVERCOME by the corruption of the world, or simply, sin. They are overcome because let sin reign in the mortal bodies - what Romans 6:12 warns against. That world "LET" shows that being overcomers of sin, or overcomed by sin depends on our choice. It is God's desire to make us overcomers (Romans 8:32; Revelation 2:7,17,25, etc.). He can and will, IF we let Him. VERSES 21, 22 v. They had KNOWN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. vi. AFTER they had known the way of righteousness - God's way - they TURNED FROM THE HOLY COMMANDMENT DELIVERED UNTO THEM. The message was delivered to them at some point, and they knew (not a mere mental assent to) the way of God, but turned from God's way of righteousness. THEY TURNED FROM RIGHTEOUSNESS. This indicates free will. vii. They following are true of them: a. They RETURNED to their own vomit. You can't return to somewhere you've never been, or to something you've never done. They were once lost - eating their vomit . They were rescued through Jesus. They returned (by choice) to their own vomit - their old life of sin, became entangled, and overcome by sin. b. They are like a sow that has been washed and returns to her wallowing in the mire. Once washed clean from sin; now, they've returned to their old life of sin. Futhermore, Ezekiel 18:24 makes it clear that it is possible for a righteous person to depart from the way of righteousness, and that such a person will die in his sins and be lost. Does that mean that our salvation is like a roller coaster ride: saved today, lost tomorrow, saved, lost,...? No! Does that mean that a saved person who makes a mistake becomes lost? No! Jesus' provision makes it possible every human to overcome sin. What happens when a sincere Christian slips? "These things I write unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1). The alternative to the once-saved-always-saved doctrine is NOT a roller-coaster-type-salvation doctrine. Finally, "Be sober, be VIGILANT, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Pet 5:8). That's an admonition for those who are saved. So long as we abide in Jesus, we are safe; but if the Christian takes his eyes off Jesus, he makes himself vulnerable to the devil. "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all persevarance and supplication for all saints." Your brother in Christ, |
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3 | Do you believe once save, always saved. | Luke 23:43 | Makarios | 95885 | ||
Greetings Tuggy, So what do you have to say about the topic of eternal security? All of the Scriptures that you have cited would be excellent to use in a debate about persevering for Christ, but you haven't really said one word about the possibility that a believer in Christ could lose his/her salvation. Actually, to champion such an idea (that a Christian could lose their salvation) may not be a very worthy cause to champion in the first place, since it only encourages doubt in those who are otherwise secure in their walk with Christ. Do you honestly believe that losing your salvation is as simple as losing the keys to your car? I would surely hope not. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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4 | Do you believe once save, always saved. | Luke 23:43 | Hank | 95895 | ||
The idea that we can "lose" our salvation is predicated on the assumption that we "did something" to "find" it in the first place, and must continue to "do something" to keep it. The Bible doesn't support any such assumption as this. No one is saved unless he has been saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. Salvation is of God and the only Person who has power to "lose" it for us would be God Himself. But Scripture, however, has no record of a single case where God reneged on any of His promises. John 3:16 says that whoever believes on the Son has eternal life. Period. No if's, no conditions, no list of works that man must perform to hang on to the gift of salvation God gives. And nowhere does Scripture teach that God has delegated the authority to man to "lose" the eternal life that, by His grace, He gives freely and unconditionally to whomever will take the water of life freely (cf.Rev.22:17). Eternal life is life eternal. It is a gift of God to the sinner who has been regenerated, and this regeneration is made possible by the shed blood of the Lamb on Golgotha's tree. Man's works neither save him nor keep him saved. He can no more "lose" his salvation by works than he can "find" it or maintain it by works. From Alpha to Omega, salvation is of God through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. Any other view constitutes a salvation by works theology that takes salvation out of God's hands and puts it in man's hands. Scripture lends no support to such a theology. --Hank | ||||||
5 | Do you believe once save, always saved. | Luke 23:43 | DarcyA | 95898 | ||
AMEN!!! AMEN!!! | ||||||