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1 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | kalos | 139916 | ||
WHERE are they taken? NASB Luke 17:34 "I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left." "One will be taken" implies that one will be taken someWHERE. So the question "WHERE are they taken?" is a reasonable one. In the PLAIN TEXT and in the immediate context (Luke 17:26-37), WHERE are they taken? Note: Luke 17:[36] [37] (ESV) And they said to him, "WHERE, Lord?" He said to them, "WHERE the corpse is, there the vultures will gather" (emphasis added). In the text the question is, "WHERE, Lord?" In the text the answer to the question is, "WHERE the corpse is, there the vultures will gather." I ask: "WHERE the corpse is" -- does this sound like heaven and rewards? Or does it sound like hell and judgment? I ask: WHERE the vultures will gather -- does this sound like heaven and rewards? Or does it sound like hell and judgment? ************* Luke 17:26-37 (ESV) [26] Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. [27] They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. [28] Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, [29] but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— [30] so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. [31] On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. [32] Remember Lot's wife. [33] Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it. [34] I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. [35] There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left." [36] [37] And they said to him, "Where, Lord?" He said to them, "Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather." |
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2 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | CDBJ | 139925 | ||
Hi Kalos, The verse that speaks of the Eagles, Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. The verse is nothing more then Hebrew Idiom and all it means is the following. Where ever people are, there justice will be handed out. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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3 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | DocTrinsograce | 139926 | ||
Hi, CDBJ... I can't find verification of your assertion of the idiomatic nature of the "body" and "eagles" phrase. If you don't mind, would you please let me know the Hebraic authority on which you base this statement? If it is an idiom, it doesn't appear to be repeated in any scriptural or extra-scriptural sources that I can find. Thank you! In Him, Doc |
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4 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | CDBJ | 139938 | ||
Hi Doc, I know who taught me this for sure but to put my finger on the exact spot will be tough, but I can point you in the right direction. http://www.berachah.org/ CDBJ |
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5 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | DocTrinsograce | 139993 | ||
Dear CDBJ, Thieme looks like a good preacher. I'll enjoy examining that site further. Thank you! I still can't find anyone -- Thieme or otherwise -- who corroborates your Hebrew idiom idea. (I had, however, come across Emmaus' preterist interpretation.) Sorry, CDBJ, you may have better reason than any of the rest of us poor sods out here to make the idiom assertion, I do not know. I just can't find anyone who has agreed with you (in writing anyway) on this point. On the other hand, eagles were an unclean animal. (There are four varieties known to the Middle East, but I cannot confirm that any one of them was the variety that the Roman's chose as their symbol. Nor can I confirm that Christ had one particular variety in mind.) When we see the word "eagle" in scripture we need to be careful not to assume our own American connotations regarding the bird. We should probably think more along the lines of buzzards. I find a repeated reference to the appearance of these birds very shortly after something dies. They have an almost uncanny sense that draws them from far away to the scene of death. (This is probably part of what made them distasteful to the Jew over and above their having been placed on the unclean list in the Law.) Note that the eagles do not show up to do the killing, but rather they gather as a consequence of the killing having already taken place. (Which, in my mind, weakens the whole 70 AD thing.) There are other negative connotations in scripture associated with birds. In Him, Doc PS If you find someplace I've missed regarding the body/eagle idiom, please let me know. |
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6 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | CDBJ | 140009 | ||
Hi Doc, I know I heard Bob, pastor Thieme, teach what I have commented on with connection to Luke 17:36 and the Hebrew idiom. I was under his teaching for close to 25 years and he has thousands of hour of studies on tapes, since he has held services six days a week for over 50 years, but to put the exact time and date on it escapes me. Pastor Thieme speaks fluent Hebrew and Koine, along with several other dialects of Greek. Billy Graham once made the statement, “Pastor Thieme is one of the best scholars alive in the United States when it comes to the Hebrew and Greek of the Bible.” When one is on the back side of sixty, as I am, the old computer just doesn't work like it did when I was in my thirties. I sure wish I could help you more but if you would get a hold of them at Berachah Church I am sure the could pinpoint what was taught and even send you the tape. I wish I could do better, CDBJ |
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7 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | DocTrinsograce | 140020 | ||
He sure sounds like a great pastor and teacher, sir! I wasn't trying to impune anyone or anything -- including your memory! It certainly sounds like Pastor Thieme would be the kind of scholar that would know this kind of thing. My tendency is to try to verify it when I hear something like this. Sorry, just the way I am! Is it possible that you Thieme meant an Hebrew proverb rather than an idiom? I found in the commentary by the scholars Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown the following: "As birds of prey scent out the carrion, so wherever is found a mass of incurable moral and spiritual corruption, there will be seen alighting the ministers of divine judgment," a proverbial saying terrifically verified at the destruction of Jerusalem, and many times since, though its most tremendous illustration will be at the world's final day. |
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8 | WHERE are they taken? | Luke 17:36 | CDBJ | 140027 | ||
Hi Doc, I assumed that you checked most of the popular commentaries, but then I am not sure what you have available to you? Look what I found in one of the first ones I checked! Hard Sayings Of The Bible, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather” means in effect “Where there is a situation ripe for judgment, there the judgment will fall.” That must be the blind squirrel and the acorn concept, but you still might want to check out pastor Thieme, or as some of us call him, “Didaskalos”, CDBJ |
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