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1 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86074 | ||
If there IS consciousness after death and people go to hell when they die, then why the need for a ressurection? When is the Judgment day and What is the Harvest that Jesus spoke about in Matt 13:39? | ||||||
2 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86080 | ||
Greetings Biblestudent74! Why the resurrection? 1 Cor. 15:26 answers this question: "The last enemy to be destroyed is death." The resurrection is the final step in the process of salvation - it is a complete reversal and the effects and penalty of sin. Consider how Adam and Eve were created. They were both body and spirit - a living soul. At the resurrection, God reunites spirit and body. 1 Cor. 15:51 - "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed? 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: 'Death has been swallowed up in victory.' 55 'Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?' 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." The resurrection restores us and completely defeats death. When is the Judgement Day? According to Rev. 20:11-15 it will occur sometime after the Millenial reign of Christ. What is the Harvest spoken of by Jesus in Mt. 13:39? It could be a reference to the events immediately prior to the judgement or it could be a reference to the rapture. I think the latter fits best, and may be the events recorded in Rev. 14:14-20. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86083 | ||
Thank you for the prompt response but I would like to clarify something. I agree that at the ressurection God reunites body and soul. I also agree with your other statements. I posted this in reply to wether or not there is a consciousness after death. I believe death to be a Sleep that the dead in Crist shall be awoken from when Jesus returns and that the wicked dead shall be awoken from after the millenial reign. | ||||||
4 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86093 | ||
Greetings Biblestudent74! What then, my friend, about Luke 16? Jesus didn't say that Lazarus and the rich man were asleep and unaware. The rich man was experiencing torment. He was aware of Lazarus. He wanted to warn his brothers. Does this sound like an unconscious sleep? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86103 | ||
So then you believe in conscious thought after death? Now, I'm curious. Do you believe also in the immortal soul? What then is the second death that Rev 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8 speaks of? Lest I stray of the topic, let me clarify. The confusion lies in mixing the 2 Lazarus' up. Luke 16 is an allegory. I believe he purposely used the Name of Lazarus so that there would be no lack of conviction for the Pharisees when it would happen in reality. It is not meant to be taken literally. He spoke this parable to teach them about life and death. The importance here is related to (Matt 6:20) "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven...", and (Matt 6:33) "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." The Pharisees were lovers of money (verse 14) and they were equated to the Rich Man's place. This is evident throughout Jesus' ministry how he despised the Hipocrisy of the Pharisees. What do you think Jesus meant when he spoke to his disciples of Lazarus? First he said, our friend Lazarus sleeps, then when they thought he meant that he is resting, Jesus plainly told them "Lazarus is dead". If Jesus described death as a sleep here, then he is merely being consistent with the old testament thought that death is a sleep. No conscious thought. Is there another text that supports conscious thought in sheol other than this one which is clearly a parable? You said that our bodies are put in the graves and not our soul and spirit. Hear me out on this one. This is the best example I think that illustrates the belief on Gen 2:7 (And the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH of LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL.) To make a BOX (living soul), you need wood (dust) and nails (breath of life). When you fashion the wood in the form of a cube and nail it together, you form a box. If you remove the nails from the wood, you no longer have a box but a scrap of wood. How then can it be that there is conscious thought if there is no soul, spirit or life in the body? When you die, the breath of life is gone (no nails), and you return to dust. Sheol meaning "underworld" is consistent with the grave, abode of the dead, depths of the earth. There is no contraversy in that. I believe the error comes from the great compromise that Christians did in order to bring more pagans to the faith in the days of Constantine. Someone who loves TRUTH, Phil |
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6 | Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86105 | ||
Greetings Phil! It has long been a common tactic for those who reject the teaching that the dead are aware to turn the story of Lazarus and the rich man into a parable. But, as I've asked several individuals over the last few days, where in Scripture is it identified as such? Of course, the answer is nowhere. So, you are operating on an assumption that this must be a parable. The only reason being that it disagrees with your belief about death. I accept it as the text presents it - an historical account of two real people. Now, on to your questions my friend! 1) What is the second death? Rev. 20:15 answers this question: "The lake of fire is the second death." The second death is the final judgement of the wicked. 2) Do I believe in an immortal soul? If by this question you mean, "Do I believe that once a person has been born, that their essence from that point on will continue to exist even after death" - the answer is "Yes". Man is not eternal as God is, but man will continue to exist either in the presence of God or eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire. 3) Living soul? Your analogy is interesting, but fails to consider that Scripture says we have soul, spirit, and body. I have always leaned toward a similar understanding as you, that man is a composite unity of body and spirit. I think of it in terms of man being a soul, not having a soul. However, I see the breath of life as being our spirit. Just as the body existed prior to the spirit entering it, it is also possible that the spirit can exist apart from the body. This is where your analogy falls apart. It does not consider the spiritual part of man at all, only the natural. 4) Sleep? I believe that 'sleep' is a euphemism for death. I don't take the term to be literal. It has long been the case that people don't like to say that someone died. So, we come up with ways to say it without really saying it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Scriptural basis for your opinions | Luke 16:23 | prazn | 86106 | ||
Hi Tim, I'm sure that many people in this forum appreciate your opinions, however, for those of us who acknowledge the Word of God (i.e., the Holy Bible) as the only source of Truth, would you please cite the scriptures (book, chapter and verse) on which your opinions are founded? Thank you. |
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8 | Scriptural basis for your opinions | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86108 | ||
Greetings Prazn! I thought I did my friend! But, one more time will not hurt. :-) Luke 16:19-31 tells the story of two men, one is named (Lazarus) and the other is not (the rich man). Verse 22 tells us that both died. Lazarus was carried by angels to Abraham's side. Where was Abraham prior to the resurrection of Christ? He was dead and buried. The rich man was also buried. Verse 23 tells us specifically that he was in Hades. Now, how is his status described while in Hades? Was he unaware or asleep? No! Verse 23 says that he was in torment and looked up and saw Abraham. In verse 24, he speaks to Abraham. In verse 27, he pleads for someone to be sent to warn his brothers about the torment that he is enduring. He did not ask for someone to warn his brothers that they would simply be unaware or asleep if they died apart from God, but that they would be warned about 'this place of torment'. No where in this passage is this story said to be a parable or an allegory. No where are the words 'like' or 'as' used to indicate that the story is a methphor. So, would you cite book, chapter, and verse, where Luke 16:19-31 is called a parable? :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Scriptural basis for your opinions | Luke 16:23 | prazn | 86111 | ||
I'm sorry, Tim. I didn't specify which note of yours I was referring to; you've written quite a few (glory to God!). Please provide the scriptural basis for the opinions that you expressed in your previous note, for the edification of those of us who are not as knowledgeable about the scriptures, as you appear to be (see below): Note: Greetings Phil! It has long been a common tactic for those who reject the teaching that the dead are aware to turn the story of Lazarus and the rich man into a parable. But, as I've asked several individuals over the last few days, where in Scripture is it identified as such? Of course, the answer is nowhere. So, you are operating on an assumption that this must be a parable. The only reason being that it disagrees with your belief about death. I accept it as the text presents it - an historical account of two real people. Now, on to your questions my friend! 1) What is the second death? Rev. 20:15 answers this question: "The lake of fire is the second death." The second death is the final judgement of the wicked. 2) Do I believe in an immortal soul? If by this question you mean, "Do I believe that once a person has been born, that their essence from that point on will continue to exist even after death" - the answer is "Yes". Man is not eternal as God is, but man will continue to exist either in the presence of God or eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire. 3) Living soul? Your analogy is interesting, but fails to consider that Scripture says we have soul, spirit, and body. I have always leaned toward a similar understanding as you, that man is a composite unity of body and spirit. I think of it in terms of man being a soul, not having a soul. However, I see the breath of life as being our spirit. Just as the body existed prior to the spirit entering it, it is also possible that the spirit can exist apart from the body. This is where your analogy falls apart. It does not consider the spiritual part of man at all, only the natural. 4) Sleep? I believe that 'sleep' is a euphemism for death. I don't take the term to be literal. It has long been the case that people don't like to say that someone died. So, we come up with ways to say it without really saying it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | Scriptural basis for your opinions | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86112 | ||
Greetings Prazn! I have been blessed to be able to participate in this forum for some time now! :-) Could you narrow down in which topic or topics you were interested? 1) The Second Death! 2) Immortal Soul! 3) Living Soul! 4) Soul Sleep! I would be glad to dialogue more on these issues, but I am a little pressed for time this weekend. If you could narrow your question down some, it would help! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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11 | Scriptural basis for your opinions | Luke 16:23 | prazn | 86115 | ||
Whatever the Holy Spirit leads you to do, Tim, is fine with me. You are not working unto man, but unto our Lord; so, please bear in mind: James 3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. 1 Cor 3:9-15 "...we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." Stay blessed! |
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