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1 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86526 | ||
Why whisk this away as a euphemism and not the entire story of the Rich Man and Lazarus as symbolic? My point in referring you to Samuel is that there is a controversy over this being Samuel or not. If it is indeed Samuel, then God is not the only one who can raise the dead. It would appear that this is a contradiction and the bible is false. If it is not Samuel, then who or what else can it be other than a deception or demon. Conscious or not in sheol/hades/grave is moot if it was indeed Samuel because the bible has contradicted itself in that Satan, the witch of Endor or whomever you choose to say, raised up Samuel from the grave. If sleep is a euphemism for death, then why did Jesus say to his disciples that Lazarus our friend sleepeth? Why did he not just tell them from the outstretch that Lazarus is dead? Your brother in Christ, Phil |
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2 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86534 | ||
Greetings Phil! Concerning Jesus, why use euphemisms at all? They are word pictures, but they are never necessary. :-) Why use figures of speech? Why use poetry? Concerning Samuel, the passage never actually says that the medium brought Samuel up, but it does call the spirit Samuel. So, I take it at face value that it was Samuel. Obviously, only God can raise the dead, so God must have brought Samuel's spirit back for a reason. This is borne out by the message the Samuel delivers from God to Saul. So, I would say that the apparent contradiction is based upon an assumption, not upon the text itself. Concerning Luke 16:19ff, euphemisms are one or two inoffensive words used as substitutes for another word. They are not parables! ;-) So, Luke 16:19ff by definition cannot be a euphemism and it is never called a parable. So, I take it as literal. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86537 | ||
Greetings Tim, Why would God bring up Samuel? In 1 Samuel 28:11 the witch says to Saul "Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel." Lets follow this through. The witch does a spell, calls to whomever and brings up Samuel. I need an answer Tim, where does Samuel come UP from? Did God, who commanded that all witches be put to death, raise up Samuel for the witch? or for Saul, whom he departed from? 1 Sam 28:6 "And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets." If God wouldn't answer Saul through the only methods that God provided "legally", then what makes you think it was God who brought Samuel up? Your loving brother in Christ, Phil |
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4 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86539 | ||
Greetings Phil! I believe that we are in agreement that mediums don't actually have the power to bring up spirits! Yet, 1 Sam. 28 identifies that the spirit is Samuel. Therefore, God must have brought Samuel's spirit up! What other option is there that doesn't go beyond what the text says or ignore what the text says? The text explicitly says 'Samuel said'! Now, if the spirit is Samuel, where does he come up from? Sheol/Hades! In v. 19, Samuel tells Saul what would happen tomorrow. Who, but God, knows the future? The text doesn't specify why God answered in this way, so I could only speculate. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 86644 | ||
Dear Tim, Sorry for the delay in answering. It is true that only God knows the future but notice that Saul committed suicide. This doesn't make the spirit true. Satan knew that God was not with Saul anymore but with David. How easy it was for him to say that if he went out to battle, that he would fall. Whenever anyone from Israel went out to battle without the Lord on their side, they lost. Look at what happened during that time with David. He fought against the Amalekites. Look at 1 Sam 30:8. David asks God if he should go and he replies "Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all." Not so with Saul. You can't ignore these facts. This is not speculation. No, it does not explicitly say that it was a demon. No it does not say explicitly that God raised him up either, but knowing the God that I serve, he would not contradict himself. If he said in Exo 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." where is the pattern of proof that God would work and listen to any witch (namely the witch of Endor) in raising Samuel (a known prophet of the true God) up? This seems like simple math to me. Forgive me if I don't communicate this very well. Tim, is it even remotely possible that the spirit was not the TRUE spirit of Samuel? Knowing that the devil can assume many identities, transformations, illusions and is a master of deception, could he have been behind the apparent miracle of bringing Samuel up from sheol? Could he also be behind the apparitions of Mary? In order to establish a bible truth, there must be an example pattern of behavior on the Lord's part so that we as His children can get to know him better. I have not seen an example of the dead having conscious thought anywhere, not even in 1 Sam 28, other than in the allegory of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Your brother in Christ, Phil |
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6 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 86646 | ||
Greetings Phil! You asked: "Tim, is it even remotely possible that the spirit was not the TRUE spirit of Samuel?" My answer would be, 'No'! Why? For this very simple reason - the Bible says that it was the spirit of Samuel! :) The text doesn't say that a spirit pretended to be Samuel. The text doesn't say that the spirit pretending to be Samuel said.... It simply says Samuel said.... You also mention that the Devil could have guessed that Saul was going to die in battle without the Lord. Yet, was this the first time that Saul had went into battle without the Lord? David was annointed as king in 1 Sam. 16 when he was still a little boy. The Lord rejected Saul as king in 1 Sam. 15. 2 Sam. 5:4 tells us that David became king when he was 30 years old. How exactly did Satan know that Saul would did that particular day out of all the intervening years? Concerning Mary, I'm not sure what you are referencing here my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | BibleStudent74 | 87528 | ||
No response Tim? | ||||||
8 | Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? | Luke 16:23 | Morant61 | 87529 | ||
Greetings Biblestudent74! Response to what? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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