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1 | Born again son asking for Holy Ghost. | Luke 11:13 | tj57h@cs.com | 88857 | ||
When I heard about it, about 12 years ago, I knew nothing about the Holy Spirit. I started studying the Holy Spirit in the bible and concluded it is something I should look into further, at the time we were attending a Baptist Church and in a bible study I bought up the subject. The leader said that his sister got the supposed baptism of the Holy Ghost and he said if you go looking for a spirit you will find one, implying an evil spirit. In my studies I found that Jesus said: Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: Clearly Jesus is saying a son (Born again child of God) is asking for the Holy Spirit and I would conclude that Being born again and Baptized in the Holy Spirit to be two different experiences, but I would assume it would be possible one could experience them at the same time, if one asked for it! how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? I was quickened by the Spirit to stand on this verse, even though great FEAR was put into my mind about getting possessed by an evil Spirit, The Father will give the Holy Ghost to anyone who asks or seeks, he will not give any thing else, I believed it and that settled it. I went to a full gospel Church and went up when they asked if anyone wanted to receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. I was filled completely with the fullness of the Spirit, it is hard to explain but I felt it emotionally and physically and had the overwhelming sense of the presence of the power of God in my body. Tears of joy filled my eyes, I had not a care in the world. At this point in time they taught that you would speak in other toungs, I did not. 3 weeks later I started speaking in tongs and overwhelming urge to speak welled up in my heart and I just spoke what came forth. I still speak in toungs; have operated in the gifts discernment and prophecy mainly. My definition of Baptized in the Holy Ghost: Complete surrender and fullness of the spirit. I don't want to make too big a deal of the feeling of being baptized in the Holy Ghost but it is difficult to ignore. I would equate it to totally cleaning out the spiritual plumbing in you heart and soul, fullness of the Spirit completely full and overflowing! My witness and boldness to speak gods words and my ability to hear from God by the Spirit have greatly been enhanced by this experience just as it did for the early Church: Acts 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) Prior to this Peter was totally humiliated and the Spirit enabled him to speak boldly to the masses. God as my witness I tell you the truth, as I know it. If you are a son seek you will find, the father will not give you any thing but his Holy Spirit! Love, Tim Hines |
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2 | Born again son asking for Holy Ghost. | Luke 11:13 | BradK | 88876 | ||
Forum: What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit? The Baptism by the Spirit We will look at the Greek text of 1 Cor. 12:13,” By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.” The body here is clearly the Mystical Body of Christ of which He is the Head and all believers from Pentecost to the Rapture, namely, from the time the Church was formed until the Church is taken up to Heaven at the descent of the Lord into the air, are members. The word “Spirit” is in the instrumental case in Greek. Personal agency is expressed occasionally by the instrumental case. At such times the verb is always in the passive or middle voice. The Greek construction here follows this rule of Greek grammar. The personal agent in this case who does the baptizing is the Holy Spirit. He places or introduces the believing sinner into the Body of which the Lord Jesus is the living head. The verb is in the past tense, referring to a past action, and is aorist, referring to a once-for-all act. This occurred potentially to all believers of this Age of Grace at Pentecost. It is the fulfillment of our Lord’s words, “Ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence” (Acts 1:5) Thus, the meaning of the Greek word, “to place” or “introduce into” gives us the purpose of the baptism by means of the Spirit, namely, the introduction of a believing sinner into the body of Christ. This brings us to a careful distinction which we must make. It is not the baptism with the Spirit or of the Spirit, in the sense that the Holy Spirit is the element which is applied to us. It is the baptism by the Spirit. This baptism does not bring the Spirit to us in the sense that God places the Spirit upon us or in us. Rather, this baptism brings the believer into vital union with Jesus Christ. It is the baptism with the Spirit in the sense that God the Father does the baptizing through His personal agent, the Holy Spirit. In Matthew 3:11 we have John the Baptist saying, “I indeed baptize you with water because of repentance… He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.” The word “with” is from a preposition which is used with the locative and instrumental cases in Greek. The particular classification of the locative here is “the locative of place.” The limits here are spatial. John literally said, “I place you in water.” His introduction of the believer into water is because of his repentance. Not only did John place them in water, but this placing in water was a ceremony or a rite. He not only baptized them into the water, but he baptized them by means of or with the water. The water was the element with or by which the believer was baptized. But when we come to the phrase, “baptized with the Spirit,” we find that the Greek grammatical construction will not allow us to interpret it as meaning that the Holy Spirit is the element with which we are baptized. Therefore the phrase, “baptized with the Spirit” does not mean that in this baptism, the Holy Spirit is applied to the believer as water is applied in the case of water baptism. In other words, there is no application of the Holy Spirit to the believer. Since there is no application of the Spirit in baptism, there is no power imparted in the act of baptizing with the Spirit. This baptism is only for the purpose of uniting the believing sinner with the Head of the Body, Christ Jesus, and thus making him a member of that body. The Spirit baptism to which John referred is the same one which Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 12:13. It is a baptism with the Spirit in the sense that it is connected, not with water, but with the Spirit who Himself does the baptizing. The phrase “with the Spirit” therefore defines what baptism is referred to, and the words, “by means of the Spirit,” speak of the fact that the Holy Spirit is the divine Agent who Himself baptizes, the purpose of which baptism is to place the believing sinner into vital union with Jesus Christ and thus making him a member of the Body of which Christ is the living Head. The reader will observe that our study of the significance of Spirit baptism has been based upon a careful adherence to the rules of Greek grammar. This is a most scientific method of interpretation. It is a most sure method. A.T. Robertson quotes Dr. A. M. Fairbairn as saying, “He is no theologian who is not first a grammarian.” All correct theology must pay careful attention to the grammar of the Greek text, for a person is correctly understood only when his hearer or reader applies the rules of grammar which the speaker or writer uses. [Kenneth S. Wuest/Word Studies from the Greek New Testament/ W.B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.] Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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3 | What purpose does The Holy Spirit serve? | Luke 11:13 | tj57h@cs.com | 88878 | ||
Why in this scripture does the son ask for the Holy Spirit and why does the Father give it to him, what purpose does The Holy Spirit serve, if he has already been baptized into the Spirit to obtain his relationship as a son? Curious, Tim Hines |
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4 | What purpose does The Holy Spirit serve? | Luke 11:13 | BradK | 88884 | ||
Tim, As best I can answer you is this: the context of Luke 11 is dealing with prayer. As JFB notes: "In the corresponding passage in Luke (see on Lu 11:13), instead of “good things,” our Lord asks whether He will not much more give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him. At this early stage of His ministry, and before such an audience, He seems to avoid such sharp doctrinal teaching as was more accordant with His plan at the riper stage indicated in Luke, and in addressing His own disciples exclusively." [Jamieson, Robert; Fausset, A.R.; and Brown, David, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible] The role of the Holy Spirit is noted in John 14:16-17: "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you." The promise of the Spirit follows in John 14:26: "“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." We see that advent of the Holy Spirit at Pentacost in Acts 2. I would submit that the role of the Holy Spirit in Acts has since changed, and is not the same as Paul refers to in his epistles, specifically 1 Cor.12:13. I believe a study of the contrasts between Acts and the Pauline Epistles bear this out. Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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