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1 | Under the law?No. | Mark 7:19 | Face | 176167 | ||
Before you jump to conclusions and decisively declare yourself not under Torah, consider this: 1. Let's see who gave and established Torah Joh 1:16-18 So we see in verse 16 and 17 that it was favor (i.e. grace) that Torah was given. It was given through Moses, the grace and truth came through the Yah'shua Messiah. the same word which was in the beginning. Most read that thinking there is being shown a contrast between Moses and Yah'shua, but the preceding and following verses show that's not the case. Imagine this: You and your people have been enslaved for years. You've been forced to work 7/365. You've been under influence to worship pagan gods, and give them all they demand. You've experienced hierarchy where only the rich and powerful get the good stuff. The poor are dispensable. (Look up caste system in India, that's more or less how it works. Actually it's similar in many other countries. The rich get health care and share very little with the poor) Now, along comes this true Elohiym, and shows you how it should be. Now according to his rules, you get 1 day in 7 off to rest. According to this system, you get at least 2 weeks off per year, celebrating in his festivals. In this system, people are precious. The poor are taken care of. There's a health care system for everyone,done through the Levites, and it's equal access for all. The promise is given that if the people follow the rules in the system, they won't be cursed with evil diseases like they saw in Egypt. Women are protected from marauding men. If a man desires a woman, he can't just take her. If he does, and she cries out, he is put to death. If she is single, and doesn't cry out, then he has to marry her and cannot divorce her. Other sexual perversions are also forbidden, and I believe this was for our own good. Mat 11:27-30 Here again, in verse 27, we see it is Yah'shua who reveals the Father. Matthew testifies that no one knows the Father, except through the Son. His yoke is the same as he gave to Moses. In it is life, and it's not nearly the burden satan would put on us. Luk 10:22 Again, the son does the revealing. He did all the speaking from the very beginning. He represented Yahweh. He guided Abraham, Jacob and Moses, giving promises he would redeem and keep. Finally he gave redemption by giving himself in place of us; he took our sentence on himself. In turn, his Father trusts him with everything. 2. Yah'shua himself confess that he and the Father are one. Joh 10:30 So if he guarded and kept his Father's commands, and he was the one who declared them to Moses as John testified, then when he said to keep his commands, what commands do you think he was talking about? All of them, or just the ones you feel like keeping? 3. Paul confessed Acts 24:14 that the way which they call heresy (belief in Yah’shua the Messiah), so worships he the Elohim of his fathers (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob), believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets Paul again, in all of Romans 3, but specifically vs. 31: Do we then make void the law through faith? Yahweh forbid, yea, we establish the law Romans 4 v.1_5 Abraham was boasted of by others for his righteousness (obedience) but even that didn’t justify him before Yahweh. It was his belief in Yahweh that justified him, and his obedience was a result of that faith v.15 without the law, there would be no transgression (sin) v.11 circumcision was given as a seal of righteousness even while Abraham was of the uncircumcision (a gentile) v.14 This verse appears to me to be saying those who think they are saved by the law, thereby making believing useless, and by doing so, have nullified the plan of salvation for themselves Romans 8 v.1 there isn’t any condemnation for those who don’t follow the ways of the flesh, but follow the Spirit v.2 the law of he Spirit sets us free from the death that sin brought (the law of sin is that sin brings death. Adam and Eve didn’t physically die from sin but spiritually. That was the lie the serpent told) v.3_5 the law was powerless to save us, because it was of the flesh. It only regulated morality. The righteousness of the law was fulfilled in those who follow the Spirit instead of their own natural ways. v.7 explains the above by telling us that our natural ways are at enmity with Yahweh v.10_13 If Yah’shua is in us, we die to sin and gain life v.35_39 No external force is capable of separating us from the love of Yahweh. Beware though, that sin does separate us from Him. I would deduce from the skeletal collection of Scriptures I have posted here that the law of death is what we are not under. Sin requires a penalty of death. Yah'shua paid our penalty. He didn't remove the law. What was nailed to the stake was the hand written ordinance of death. Read also Joh 5:45-47 Who accuses? Does that mean what I think it does? |
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2 | John 5:45Does it what you think it does? | Mark 7:19 | lionheart | 176200 | ||
Face, Does it? Your right Jesus didn't remove the law, He fullfilled it! When someone has received Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is he still under the law? Give Romans 15:4 some consideration. In Christ, lionheart |
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3 | John 5:45Does it what you think it does? | Mark 7:19 | Face | 176204 | ||
If he gave us a standard to live by, do you think he is so mean to give us a standard that is impossible to live by? He lived by that standard, thus proving it could be done. Not only that, but he gives the Holy Spirit to empower us to do the same. It's us that shortchanges ourselves to say we can't live it. I'm not sure what you are referencing by Romans 15:4. "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." But I agree with it, these things were written for our learning. But from what I see, most churchianity wants to forget the things we are to learn, and it makes me ask why. These things were written for our comfort and hope. Wellbeing in general, actually. ISRV renders that verse "Rom 15:4 For whatever was written before was written for our instruction,1 that through endurance and encouragement of the Scriptures we might have the expectation." Footnote: 1 1Cor. 10:11, 2Tim. 3:14-17. Again, what most churchianity teaches is that the Scriptures that Paul and Yah'shua loved and taught from are relatively invalid now. I've heard people that Yah'shua lived a perfect life, he did it for them so they don't have to. That is mistaken. It was the penalty he paid. Read how important Yah'shua thought keeping the commands was: Mat 19:17 John 14:15 teaches if we don't guard his commands, we don't love him. Remember that he revealed the Father to Moses, and that he and the Father are one. Thus it was him that gave the commands to Moses. 1Cor 7:19 There is a difference between the keeping of the oral traditions and the law of Elohim. Oral tradition is not binding, never was. The commands of Yahweh are binding and expected to be kept. |
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4 | John 5:45Does it what you think it does? | Mark 7:19 | BradK | 176211 | ||
Hello Face, The cross continues to be the pivotal event of scripture and for mankind. Heb 10:1 "For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near." Rom 7:6 "But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter." Rom 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." The claims of the law were met when the believer was put to death in the Person of a Substitute. God's law still stands in all it's righteousness, but our relationship to it has changed. We are no longer under its dominion and condemnation. The believer's relation has been so changed through the death and resurrection of Christ that the Law is no longer his master. Gal 3:24- 25 "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | So the law was valid until his death? | Mark 7:19 | Face | 176214 | ||
so then when Yah'shua said that heaven and earth would pass before one jot or tittle passed from the law, are you saying that when he died, that was heaven and earth passing? Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. I don't know about you, but I think that being called least isn't a good thing. Or are you saying he wouldn't destroy them as long as he was alive, but would destroy them at death. Still, heaven and earth are still here, so not the law and prophets? |
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6 | So the law was valid until his death? | Mark 7:19 | DocTrinsograce | 176218 | ||
Dear Face, I always find it interesting how people will either neglect Galatians or James, depending on which side of the antinomian or Judaizer issue they happen to embrace. In either case, when it comes to the forum, they tend to be pretty mono-thematic in their posts. In the words of Charles Spurgeon, one cannot help wondering "Why do they earnestly set themselves to confute what no one defends?" Burning straw men is tiring work. So is beating dead horses. I think you've made your position pretty clear after some 20 plus posts on the subject. Shall we move along with our study of the Bible? It contains quite a few other subjects worthy of our careful consideration. In Him, Doc |
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7 | So the law was valid until his death? | Mark 7:19 | Face | 176219 | ||
What's the purpose of studying the rest of it if we can't even get the basics right? Our Saviour and Messiah says one thing clearly. Later we believe somebody who appears to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Somebody is wrong. Who is it? Or is the second person, namely Paul, saying something other than what common churchianity is teaching? Who do you believe, the person who's word last forever, or a bunch of people who have been beating the wrong drum? |
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8 | So the law was valid until his death? | Mark 7:19 | DocTrinsograce | 176220 | ||
You wrote, "Later we believe somebody who appears to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Somebody is wrong. Who is it? Or is the second person, namely Paul, saying something other than what common churchianity is teaching? Who do you believe, the person who's word last forever, or a bunch of people who have been beating the wrong drum?" And then there's the guy beating his own drum... to his own beat... without the support of anyone excepting, possibly, Ellen G. White and Garner Ted Armstrong. Another good Spurgeon quote: "It seems odd, that certain men who talk so much about what the Holy Spirit reveals to themselves, should think so little of what He has revealed to others." Frankly, does it matter so much whether it is the left side of the ditch or the right side of the ditch into which one has fallen? Now may we, please, move on? |
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9 | So the law was valid until his death? | Mark 7:19 | Face | 176222 | ||
Very well, I'll hold my peace on this subject. But I just don't understand why people throw away the base of what all has built on. |
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