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1 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92822 | ||
Hi Dairyleader5, Thanks for writing me, I'll quote you by putting "" around your quotes. "Saying that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer needed, or just for the early Church, is the reason the gifts of the spirit are not being manifested in our churches today." This I disagree with. If merely saying they aren't needed can prevent them from being manifested, I think we need to question the reality of them then. "Which of these gifts do you say you have, according to some you cant have even faith, even thou it is a gift, so the people who say the gifts were only for the early church are mistaken." Faith is something different, it's not commonly considered a "spiritual" gift. Faith, like grace, is a gift from God. Personally when I mean spiritual gifts, I mean tongues, prophecy, healing, things more along those lines, not faith. "How many Churches have you been in that teach these gifts and how to recieve them?" None. Personally I would never attend a church that taught these things. That's fine if you wish to, I don't believe in fragmenting the church over non essentials like this, but personally I will never attend a church that has "gifts" such as tongues or prophecy. "The congregation doesnt know that these gifts are available." Well, then again we must ask, why not, if from God they should be evident. But they are not. Something to consider. "The gifts are not seen in the U.S. because the pastors have to believe they exsist." Again though, this is a pattern I'm seeing. If these gifts are from God, they would be evident regardless of what the pastor felt. I don't think the pastor has anything to with it. "The Bible says that these things will follow those who believe," Yes, that is in accordance with the Last Days, or end of the age, which being a Preterist I believe has already happened. Paul flat out tells the Corinthians that gifts are going to cease. "do you think that people are trying to follow gifts or are the signs follow the believer." I think people try to follow gifts. ", but all I wanted to say was be careful what you say about what the Bible say we can have." That's cool, and thanks for caring. Kindness is a sign of belief. Again though, being a Preterist I view the Bible within a 1st century context. Things spoken of in it, have passed, including gifts. However, if you are a believer, then that's enough for me. Again, I wouldn't try to curse you or say you are a heretic for believing in gifts, I just do not and have never seen a valid arguement for the continuation of them pass 70 AD. "In short these gifts are not manifested in churches because of unbelief." Or because they are no longer available. "God be with you." Amen, He is. Same to you, God is with you, take care, SUEDE |
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2 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | mom7x | 156821 | ||
Suede, you say that these gifts will cease, that in fact they have ceased. I agree that Paul says the gifts will cease, WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT HAS COME, as it says in 1 Cor 13. What makes the end of the century be "that which is perfect"? The gifts are temporary, yes. The only things that abide are faith, love and hope. It isn't until that which is perfect is come that that which is imperfect will pass away. The gifts of the Spirit have not gone away in America. There are many people who have been healed, many who speak in tongues, many who have been given a word of knowledge or prophecy...There could be more of course, but without seeing a need for it, and with being too comfortable with the way we live, putting our trust in doctors, or ourselves, the opportunity to see them expressed is limited. When we put ALL of our trust in the Lord, when we make Him our full focus, and when we ask him for whatever he has for us, that is when these gifts can become evident. A pastor is not necessary for this-I know of people who were part of a church who believed as you do, that the gifts were no longer for today. Yet, as they praised God, they were blessed with the gift of tongues. When they went to their pastor, he told them that it sounded as though they had received the gift of tongues "but such things don't happen anymore." We need to be open to what God has for us, whatever that may be. I once believed as you do, that Pentecostals were wrong, that the gifts experienced in those types of churches were due to hysteria, but having gone to one of these churches, having seen healings, including a woman who had been using a cane for a long time, who was able to throw her cane away and walk, I can no longer say it isn't for today. In Christ's love, Mom |
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