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1 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93337 | ||
Hey Ken, ...I've heard all that before and it still can't be reconciled with what Paul was stating... Well, it's really going to depend on what your take on Ages is, and when these Ages start and stop. That's truly paramount to understand Paul, if not the whole Bible. ...He says ALL knowledge will cease when we see Jesus ..face to face... But what is this knowledge? That's important. We know from 1 Cor 1:20 that he does says the wisdom of that particular Age was foolish. To me, this makes sense that it would pass. ...So I must ask you why you feel the need to continue to learn after you are informed by Jesus Christ as to the sum of all knowledge?.. Well, that's the kind of person I am. But not that Christ did say we are to be like a child. For we are saved by Grace alone, not by how smart we are. ...A joint heir will know all things as He knows all things, correct?... No. God reveals things to us as He choses. You know that Christ is the only way. That is really it, that's all you need. But, I believe that Christ does in fact reveal things to us still. To spread the Gospel, we need to know the Gospel. .....Ergo, knowledge will cease...And since the gifts are for the edifying of the Disciple and the edifying of the Disciple's church, they will also cease to be needed....but only then will they cease to be needed... Well, that's one way of looking at it. I still hold to ceassation around 70 AD though. Take care, SUEDE |
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2 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Ken hepting | 93348 | ||
"No. God reveals things to us as He choses. You know that Christ is the only way. That is really it, that's all you need. But, I believe that Christ does in fact reveal things to us still. To spread the Gospel, we need to know the Gospel." I thought we were speaking of a face to face experience with Christ and our 'knowing as we are known' and not what we PRESENTLY experience. That is what the scripture says, correct. Perhaps you should examine what "ages" mean. "Well, that's one way of looking at it. I still hold to ceassation around 70 AD though. Take care," Well I guess you'll have to come up with some scripture to support that theory. When Peter said that the promise is for all that are afar off, means me. Guess what? .....He was right. |
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3 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93367 | ||
Hi Ken, ...I thought we were speaking of a face to face experience with Christ and our 'knowing as we are known' and not what we PRESENTLY experience. That is what the scripture says, correct... We are, but you desire a physcial fulfillment, which I do not see as Biblically correct. The Pharisees very much wanted a physical fulfillment as well, but they were corrected. ...Perhaps you should examine what "ages" mean... Well, I have, but what is your take on Ages? ...Well I guess you'll have to come up with some scripture to support that theory... Olivet Discourse plus 1 Cor 13:8. ...When Peter said that the promise is for all that are afar off, means me. Guess what? .....He was right.... Yes, he was right. We are able to partake in the promise. BUT, so were Christians in the first century too. All believers, then, now and forever are able to partake in the promise. Take care, SUEDE |
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4 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Ken hepting | 93414 | ||
"Yes, he was right. We are able to partake in the promise. BUT, so were Christians in the first century too. All believers, then, now and forever are able to partake in the promise. Take care," Then maybe you need a better understanding of what the promise is......based on the statements Peter, Paul and ....Jesus....or are you one who has a form of Godliness but denies it's power? |
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5 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93494 | ||
Ken, ...or are you one who has a form of Godliness but denies it's power?... No. Preterists openly acknowledge the power, we understand that Christ DID have victory, then and forever. And through His victory, we have victory. Take care, SUEDE |
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6 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Ken hepting | 93516 | ||
"No. Preterists openly acknowledge the power, we understand that Christ DID have victory, then and forever. And through His victory, we have victory. Take care," You mean you believe it used to be but now you are sterile because it ceased to be yet somehow still is and you can't figure it out. That must be very frustrating for you. |
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7 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93528 | ||
Hi Ken, ...You mean you believe it used to be but now you are sterile because it ceased to be, yet somehow still is and you can't figure it out. That must be very frustrating for you... I can see what you mean, but it's actually not frustrating at all. I don't buy into non Biblical prophecies, or jibber jabber talk, or being slain in the spirit. If someone wishes to believe in that, that's fine. I however don't see a Biblical proof for these things. I believe in the word of God for Churches Post 70 AD, and that's it. But I understand that it is my view. You may believe in gifts, that's fine too. It isn't a salvation issue so it's of little concern to me as a whole. Take care, SUEDE |
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8 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Ken hepting | 93532 | ||
But then the church isn't a salvation issue either. I feel bad for you. Take care. | ||||||
9 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93535 | ||
Ken, ...But then the church isn't a salvation issue either... Correct! Gifts and salvation are not tied together. Neither are gifts and the church. Neither is the church and salvation. I think it's a good idea to fellowship with Christians, but it's not a salvation issue. Salvation is grace, not church attendance or having a "gift". Take care, SUEDE |
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10 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Ken hepting | 93548 | ||
"Correct! Gifts and salvation are not tied together....." Correct! ".....Neither are gifts and the church....." Incorrect! ".......Neither is the church and salvation......" Partly correct! ".....I think it's a good idea to fellowship with Christians, but it's not a salvation issue...." Maybe! Depends on the condition of the "Christians" and what influence I may bring into the gathering. "....Salvation is grace, not church attendance or having a "gift"...." Maybe....A little to cultish here, I'm afraid. A good question you might ask yourself is "What salvation"? There is one that must be worked out with fear and trembling. Does the church have part in that one? How about the gifts? |
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11 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93599 | ||
Hey Ken, ".....Neither are gifts and the church....." Incorrect!.... If gifts and the church were tied together absolutely, then they would be absolutely manifested. But they are not, and never were. Even back in the first century, not all believers would exhibit gifts. Lack of salvation? Never. ".......Neither is the church and salvation......" Partly correct!... Correct in it's entirity. Eph 2:2-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. It is important to fellowship, but you are not saved because of it. ".....I think it's a good idea to fellowship with Christians, but it's not a salvation issue...." Maybe! Depends on the condition of the "Christians" and what influence I may bring into the gathering... Yes, if they are wolves amongst the flock, I agree, but I meant fellowshipping in it's purest form, with Believers not non believers. "....Salvation is grace, not church attendance or having a "gift"...." Maybe....A little to cultish here, I'm afraid.... Surely you jest. Eph 2:8 and 9 again? It is often cults that claim that only 'they' have the correct or true church. That is cultish. ...A good question you might ask yourself is "What salvation"?... Grace alone. ...There is one that must be worked out with fear and trembling... Yes, our gift from God must be worked out, or understood. But this does not imply salvation by works. However, that verse is at forefront of cults such as JWs. ...Does the church have part in that one?... In understanding one's Grace from God? No. BUT, we should fellowship with believers. ...How about the gifts?... Absolutely not. Never have, never will. Some charsmatic believe this to be so, as in if you can't speak in "tongues" you aren't saved. That is incorrect on so many levels. Take care, SUEDE |
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