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1 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93329 | ||
Hey Tim, ...Where exactly does Scripture say that Christ would return in 40 years?... Olivet Discourse. We know from the OT, that a generation to the Jews is 40 years, Jesus said he would be back in one generation. ...I can't speak to the organ music and the choir, but what did the angels say in Acts 1 after Christ ascended to Heaven? Acts 1:11 - "'Men of Galilee,' they said, 'why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." Now, how did Jesus go into Heaven? Acts 1:9 says, "After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight."... Actually, these verse DO mesh with what Jesus said, and of course with Preterist eschatology. We know that Jesus "went" into heaven behind a cloud. That's key. For how is He coming? Let the Bible tell us. Mattew 26:24 Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." Mark 13:26 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory." What does this mean? Coming in clouds invokes OT prophets that poetically spoke of God coming in clouds of Judgement. We can further see this here, Revelation 1:7 "BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen." Another thing we can ask is, how fast will this coming be? A slow descent? No. Matthew 24:27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be." cf Luke 17:24 His coming was that quick. Take care, SUEDE |
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2 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Morant61 | 93330 | ||
Greetings Suede! Thanks for the response my friend! One of my primary concerns is accuracy in our statements about what Scripture says. So, I highlighted your '40' years remark. There are two problems with your statement. First of all, the term '40 years' is never used. While 'a generation' may refer to 40 years, Scripture never says '40 years'. Secondly, Mt. 24:34 refers to 'this generation', but which generation is He refering to? It could very well be the generation alive when the things mentioned occur. Whether we agree on our approach to eschatology or not, it simply isn't true that Christ said He would return within 40 years. :-) Finally, concerning Acts 1:9-11, verse 9 says that He went up 'before their eyes, and then the cloud hid Him. So, verse 11 must also be refering to a visible return since it says that He would return in the same way. So, I don't agree that the preterist position is in harmony with Acts 1:9-11. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93340 | ||
Hi Tim, ...One of my primary concerns is accuracy in our statements about what Scripture says. So, I highlighted your '40' years remark. There are two problems with your statement. First of all, the term '40 years' is never used... In a literal sense, no, it's not. However, a Jew telling other Jews in the first century that he would return in a generation would have been understood as a 40 year time frame. We tend to modernize the Bible and come up with odd interpretations when we do. The BIG explaination used by futurists is that Generation means a race of people. This is the kind of silliness I mean. ...Secondly, Mt. 24:34 refers to 'this generation', but which generation is He refering to?... Take it into context. Jesus meant that generation that was alive when he was speaking. If I were to say "this is the greatest year ever", do I mean 2005? Or 1995? No, time context when the statement made is 2003. Same thing. Jesus said "This generation", as in the 1 st century. ...It could very well be the generation alive when the things mentioned occur.... And it did! All those things mentioned DID occur in the first century. ...Whether we agree on our approach to eschatology or not, it simply isn't true that Christ said He would return within 40 years... Yes it is true, our 21st minds though fail to realize this at times. Jesus was very much a 1st century Jew, and was using language of that time. Hundreds of years from now, what will be think when we say someone "kicked the bucket", or "bought the farm". ...Finally, concerning Acts 1:9-11, verse 9 says that He went up 'before their eyes, and then the cloud hid Him. So, verse 11 must also be refering to a visible return since it says that He would return in the same way. So, I don't agree that the preterist position is in harmony with Acts 1:9-11.... But then the "burden of proof" is on you. Why does every other verse state coming in clouds? And why does Jesus himself say he will return as fast as lightning? Hardly a slow visible descent the way the apostles saw him him ascend for a moment. Is this a Bile difficulty? No. Acts matches up only if we acknowldge the clouds in the other verses, like Rev 1:7. The angels were telling the apostles about the clouds. It's not so much the verses we do list, it's what we DON'T list that matters. Take care, SUEDE |
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