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1 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93177 | ||
Hi there, I think the reason that there's not "powerful works" as in gifts, is because they aren't available anymore, and have not been for a very long time. It was only til under 200 years ago that American churches started to bend towards more charsmatic views on the Bible. Sadly, it seems that study of the Word of God went away, and speaking in jibber jabber came in. This also seems to coincide with the rise of Dispensationalism, Cults like SDA, JWs, and Christian Zionism; none of which are Biblically supported. However, since people have stopped reading and studying the Bible, these things are "acceptable". I personally urge people to return to their Bibles and do some serious study. Leave "tongues" alone, and "healing" and Prophecy. This things have ceased, just like the Bible tells us. Take care, |
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2 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DarcyA | 93190 | ||
Just curious if you are referring to 1 Cor 13:8 were paul writes and says the tongues, prophecy, and knowledge will cease but Agape love won't cease? Because if that is the verse you are referring to, you are taking out of context because in verse 10 it says "but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away." We live far from a perfect world. Perfection won't come until Jesus our Lord and Savior comes back to sit on the throne of David. The word perfect could also be rendered there as "complete". I went to a baptist church who believed strongly that the gifts have ceased. The pastor told me that verse means completion of the Bible. But when I read it I don't see the word bible there any wheres and another thing is that they had the word of god first hand they had the apostles who heard from Jesus himself the Word Also no wheres does it ever read healings will cease. One more thing in Revelation 19:10 It says that the testimony of Jesus Christ IS the spirit of prophecy. If prophecy has ceased you would also have to say that Jesus' testimony has also ceased since it is the spirit of prophecy. One more thing people who believe the gifts have not ceased aren't all charsmatic. I do not believe that Satan or another spirit will heal the afflicted and bring people to Jesus, only the Holy Spirt can and will do that. If you read the book of Acts you will find that the book doesn't end. It doesn't end because we are in the book of Acts. |
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3 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93301 | ||
Hi Darcy, ...Just curious if you are referring to 1 Cor 13:8 were paul writes and says the tongues, prophecy, and knowledge will cease but Agape love won't cease?... Yes I was. ...Because if that is the verse you are referring to, you are taking out of context because in verse 10 it says "but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away." We live far from a perfect world. Perfection won't come until Jesus our Lord and Savior comes back to sit on the throne of David.... Brace yourself, I'm NOT taking that verse out of context. Perfection has come, just like He said He would. Shocking? It shouldn't be. His disciples flat out ask Jesus when he is going to return and Jesus flat out tells them within 40 years. Jesus IS on the Throne, again, just like he said. ...One more thing in Revelation 19:10 It says that the testimony of Jesus Christ IS the spirit of prophecy. If prophecy has ceased you would also have to say that Jesus' testimony has also ceased since it is the spirit of prophecy.... Yes, the testimony of Jesus is the SPIRIT of prophecy. That's correct. Now, that was more apt back when John wrote Revelation, but still today as we preach the Gospel. Only for us, it's not really prophetic, it's a reality, it did happen. ...One more thing people who believe the gifts have not ceased aren't all charsmatic... That is true, but most aren't far from it. ...I do not believe that Satan or another spirit will heal the afflicted and bring people to Jesus, only the Holy Spirt can and will do that... I agree, but one, who says those people really needed to be healed. And two, I don't deny that God is all powerful, He does as He pleases. However, spiritual gifts as a whole have passed, again, just as the Bible says. ...If you read the book of Acts you will find that the book doesn't end. It doesn't end because we are in the book of Acts... This may be shocking, but we are out of Revelation! We are not in Acts by a long shot, haven't been there for almost 2,000 years, haven't been in Revelation for basically 1,900 years. I'm sure you don't know how to react right now, but hopefully your curiousity has spiked. Take care, SUEDE |
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4 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DarcyA | 93307 | ||
..."Brace yourself, I'm NOT taking that verse out of context. Perfection has come, just like He said He would. Shocking? It shouldn't be. His disciples flat out ask Jesus when he is going to return and Jesus flat out tells them within 40 years. Jesus IS on the Throne, again, just like he said." If perfection has come, why is there more sin in this world than probably ever before as the bible states in Matthew 24:37, "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah." Notice that it says "the coming" not "when I am here". As far as I am concerned in this day and age is far from perfection, and the bible states very clearly that when he returns to earth this world will be perfect. What we refer to as the lords prayer it states thy kingdom come, THY WILL BE DONE, ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN" You honestly think all this sin in the world today is his will? The bible states that satan is the "god of this world" (2cor 4:4) In order to believe what you do you would have to say this verse is no longer true and if that is the case why is there still sin? In Rev 1:7, "BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen." I personally have never seen Him. I have no clue what He looks like. And I think the main reasons why I don't know what He looks like is because I have never seen Him and because the bible doesn't tell us what He looks like except His hands, feet and side are peirced. How could Jesus clearly tell His disciples that He would be back in 40 years? When He didn't know Himself. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Mat. 24:36) Explain to me if Jesus came back 40 years after He left in Acts 1 why is it that John wrote the book of Revelation which clearly states the day of the Lord and the day of perfection when John didn't write the book until after 90 A.D. probably closer to 95 A.D.? This is what I believe because this is what the bible states He is sitting at the right hand of God (Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69; Acts 2:33; Acts 5:31;Acts 7:55,56; Rom. 8:34; Col 3:1; Heb 10:12; Heb 12:2; 1Pet 3:22) ..."I agree, but one, who says those people really needed to be healed. And two, I don't deny that God is all powerful, He does as He pleases. However, spiritual gifts as a whole have passed, again, just as the Bible says." Out of the book of Acts and Revelation? show me. The bible states in 1pet 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." (KJV) I guess that verse no longer applies according to your theology. Just one more thought. If the gifts have ceased where do you draw the line. At salvation? or has that GIFT ceased as well? Also have you ever gotten a cold or the flu? And are no longer sick? If healings have ceased tell me this how are you cured? |
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5 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93324 | ||
Hey Darcy, ...If perfection has come, why is there more sin in this world than probably ever... That's actually a bit of speculation on your part. Remember, during the 1st century, there was literally worldwide paganism. That is not true today. Though it seems like the the world is worse due to the Media, Christianity is spreading like a brush fire in the southern hemisphere. ...as the bible states in Matthew 24:37, "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah." Notice that it says "the coming" not "when I am here"... Yes, Christ's coming caught people off guard. It shouldn't have as they were forewarned, but it did none the less. ...As far as I am concerned in this day and age is far from perfection,.. I agree with you, and I'm certainly not saying the world is perfect. ...and the bible states very clearly that when he returns to earth this world will be perfect... Are you sure? ..What we refer to as the Lord's prayer You honestly think all this sin in the world today is his will?.. No, it's not his will, it's counter to it. But that's not a sign of Him not being here. There was great sin abound when Christ was in the flesh. ..The bible states that satan is the "god of this world" (2cor 4:4) In order to believe what you do you would have to say this verse is no longer true.. That's correct. Look at this, Romans 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. Paul was telling people that were alive in the first century that God was fixing to crush Satan under THEIR feet. ..and if that is the case why is there still sin?.. Why would there not be? Sin came in via Adam, people today still have sin nature, they always will. We as humans are our own problem. Our sin nature is why there is sin in this world. ..In Rev 1:7, "BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him," I personally have never seen Him... Yes you have, you aren't realizing it though. You desire to see Him in the flesh, that's all. But He's here, you see Him in fellow Christians. ..How could Jesus clearly tell His disciples that He would be back in 40 years? When He didn't know Himself. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Mat. 24:36).. Actually, the answer is in that verse. Jesus as a man did NOT know the day or hour. But he did know it would happen within 40 years. That's the difference. ..Explain to me if Jesus came back 40 years after He left in Acts 1 why is it that John wrote the book of Revelation which clearly states the day of the Lord and the day of perfection when John didn't write the book until after 90 probably closer to 95 AD? John didn't write Revelation in 90 or 95 AD. That's a incorrect date, that unfortunately hinders people. A more correct date is between 60 AD and 67 AD. I can give you some info on this if you like. ...Out of the book of Acts and Revelation? show me.... Acts is easy, there's nothing to state that we are IN the Book of Acts. Acts is very much a historical book of the early, early church. Revelation was given to John to warn the early Christians that everything they had been taught over the past 40 years was in fact coming to a head. He warned seven literal churches that he probably established and warned the Christians in Jerusalem that they were to leave the Harlot of Babylon. That's right, Jerusalem was the Harlot of Revelation and was judged in 70 AD, again just as God said he would. ...The bible states in 1pet 2:24 I guess that verse no longer applies according to your theology... No it still does. I in no way remove Christ or His sacrifice for us the undeserving. ..Just one more thought. If the gifts have ceased where do you draw the line. At salvation? or has that GIFT ceased as well?.. Salvation is a gift from God in the form of grace. However, "gifts" or spiritual gifts typically imply tongues, prophecy, and perhaps healing. That's what most mean by "gifts". Has grace passed. Never. Have gifts like tongues passed? Yes. ..Also have you ever gotten a cold or the flu? And are no longer sick? If healings have ceased tell me this how are you cured?... Yes, our natural body has obvious failures. And we can heal those on natural terms, i.e. medication. Now, can God heal people? Yes, he's God. But is this still a valid common gift found in Christians? Not really. Healing is a tough one. Now as far as tongues and prophecy go, yes, without a doubt and full authority those have passed. Thanks for asking question, I hope you have more and will contiune the dialog, I'm enjoying it and I hope you are too, take care, SUEDE |
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6 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DarcyA | 93346 | ||
Here are some verses which prove Jesus has not been on earth for some 2000 years 1) Isa. 11:6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. I have never ever seen these today. 2) And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Westpoint is still around and they are not a farming school. :) Now about actually sdeeing Him. Yes I do believe I see the Person of Jesus Christ. And it is very Biblical. I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. This verse shopws that the Israelites will see Him. THose a just a few verses there are many more. I have yet to find a verse that proves Jesus came back in 70AD You can take verses out of context but you will run into other problems with the scripture if you do so. As I think amillennial or postmennial views harms the Church in a big way. First it takes aweay the promice of Jesus' second coming, thus not giving us any hope on this earth. thus no need for us to be here. I believe that God gave as the wonderful job of preparing people for the coming Kingdom WHAT A JOB! It shows the pure Love and Grace of God. He gave us such a wonderful job that He could do Himself. I am still waiting on that blessed hope. AMEN |
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7 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93361 | ||
Hey Darcy, Isaiah is a prophet and prophets tend to speak very poetically. The lamb laying down, and all that stuff is symbolic. It was very much an error of the Pharisees to believe in a PHYSICAL delieverance, all the while their souls are what needed delievering. This unfortunately is the exact same error of the Church. We love our flesh, that's for sure. Also, the verse showing the spirit of God being poured out is symbolic as well, or do we expect to literally see a Spirit being poured out? You can't jump from symbolic to literal in the same verse, that's not good exegsis. To cut to the chase here, you probably think that by the time we reach the later parts of Revelation, all is well. New Jerusalem comes down, and there's a Tree that can heal the nations, and a literal stream of water of life and all that. Peace on earth, right? Not really. See even after New Jerusalem comes to earth, something's not quite right. Something remains outside the city. See Revelation 22:15. ...As I think amillennial or postmennial views harms the Church in a big way. First it takes aweay the promice of Jesus' second coming, thus not giving us any hope on this earth. thus no need for us to be here.... Though I'm neither of those views, neither of those views deny Christ's second coming. ...I am still waiting on that blessed hope... And it came, just as promised. But I don't want to be a stumbling block for you, eschatology isn't crucial to salvation, only grace and faith are, so I don't want to scare you away from that. Take care, SUEDE |
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8 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 93368 | ||
Darcy, look at cpt 22 of Rev. Suede is totally incorect about everything He has told you. To back up what we say here there has to be proof. Look at Daniels 70th week in Daniel. And not all the Pharsies needed to be saved under the old law which was still in efect. Jesus said that he came not to call the rightious but sinner to repentance.All that stuff that Suede was refering to was not the prophets words but Gods.So be careful. | ||||||
9 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DarcyA | 93378 | ||
Dairy, Thank you, I know. I'm still waiting for the return of Christ. And no one can convince me otherwise becuse it is the Word of God |
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10 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 93383 | ||
Darcy, look at Psalms 1;1-3 and have a good night. | ||||||