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1 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 92770 | ||
Saying that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer needed, or just for the early Church, is the reason the gifts of the spirit are not being manifested in our churches today. Look at Heb:8;3,2;4, Eph.4;8, 1Ti,4;14, 1Cor. 14;12, 1;7, 14;1, 7;7, 13;2, 12;1-31 ,Rom 11;29, 12;6, Eph 6;9,What are the gifts of the Spirit, word of wisdom,word of knowledge, faith,working of miricals, prophecy, discerning of spirits, toungs and interpretation of toungs.Which of these gifts do you say you have, according to some you cant have even faith, even thou it is a gift, so the people who say the gifts were only for the early church are mistaken. The scripture says that God is no respect to person, so the Gifts that the early church had we have. Then the question is, then why cant we see them?, How many Churches have you been in that teach these gifts and how to recieve them? The congregation doesnt know that these gifts are available. Before you say that these gifts are not for us, look first into scripture and see how they are attained. Im not a prophet, but I have the gift of prophecy, faith, wisdom, knowledge and toungs. The gifts are not seen in the U.S. because the pastors hafe to believe they exsist.The Bible says that these things will follow those who believe, do you think that people are trying to follow gifts or are the signs follow the believer.If you dont believe in these gifts it would be better to say that you dont opperate in the gifts, because you will give an answer to all you say before God.I could go on an on with this subject, but all I wanted to say was be careful what you say about what the Bible say we can have.In short these gifts are not manifested in churches because of unbeliefe. God be with you. | ||||||
2 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92822 | ||
Hi Dairyleader5, Thanks for writing me, I'll quote you by putting "" around your quotes. "Saying that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer needed, or just for the early Church, is the reason the gifts of the spirit are not being manifested in our churches today." This I disagree with. If merely saying they aren't needed can prevent them from being manifested, I think we need to question the reality of them then. "Which of these gifts do you say you have, according to some you cant have even faith, even thou it is a gift, so the people who say the gifts were only for the early church are mistaken." Faith is something different, it's not commonly considered a "spiritual" gift. Faith, like grace, is a gift from God. Personally when I mean spiritual gifts, I mean tongues, prophecy, healing, things more along those lines, not faith. "How many Churches have you been in that teach these gifts and how to recieve them?" None. Personally I would never attend a church that taught these things. That's fine if you wish to, I don't believe in fragmenting the church over non essentials like this, but personally I will never attend a church that has "gifts" such as tongues or prophecy. "The congregation doesnt know that these gifts are available." Well, then again we must ask, why not, if from God they should be evident. But they are not. Something to consider. "The gifts are not seen in the U.S. because the pastors have to believe they exsist." Again though, this is a pattern I'm seeing. If these gifts are from God, they would be evident regardless of what the pastor felt. I don't think the pastor has anything to with it. "The Bible says that these things will follow those who believe," Yes, that is in accordance with the Last Days, or end of the age, which being a Preterist I believe has already happened. Paul flat out tells the Corinthians that gifts are going to cease. "do you think that people are trying to follow gifts or are the signs follow the believer." I think people try to follow gifts. ", but all I wanted to say was be careful what you say about what the Bible say we can have." That's cool, and thanks for caring. Kindness is a sign of belief. Again though, being a Preterist I view the Bible within a 1st century context. Things spoken of in it, have passed, including gifts. However, if you are a believer, then that's enough for me. Again, I wouldn't try to curse you or say you are a heretic for believing in gifts, I just do not and have never seen a valid arguement for the continuation of them pass 70 AD. "In short these gifts are not manifested in churches because of unbelief." Or because they are no longer available. "God be with you." Amen, He is. Same to you, God is with you, take care, SUEDE |
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3 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 92906 | ||
For those who are looking for answers.John 14;12, Math 18;19-20, 2ndPeter 1;3, Rom 12;1-3, Faith is a gift from God...as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.N.A.S.B., Do we elliminate hafe the Bible because we dont believe that its for us. The Scripture is intertwined within its self, if we remove one part the rest falls apart.Rom 12;4-6,...sence we have Gifts that differ according to the grace given to us...NASB, without the Gifts of God, the effectiveness of the body of Christ has and will come to a grinding hault. The Christian life is to be lived in the spirit and not in the flesh. John 12;24-25,NCV.Sence people say that spiritual gifts are no longer needed, do we say then that putting on the whole armour of God is not for us also?The Bible tells us that these spiritual gifts are given by the same spirit throu Gods ministers, so if the ministers dont believe scripture they can be used by the spirit to give these gifts, Rom 1;11,KJV. 1st Tim 4;14. What each person should do, is to use all these studdy Bibles and reference materials, and look up each gift ,seperately and see, 1. what it is,2. how it is obtained, and 3. How it is used.Peace to all, by Jesus. | ||||||
4 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92947 | ||
DairyLeader5 I think part of the problem is you are confusing Faith with tongues or prophecy. You can't say faith is a spiritual gift and use that in an attempt to "prove" spiritual gifts. Is Grace a spritiual gift as well? Faith and Grace are seperate from tongues and prophecy and healings. You'll need better "proofs" to prove that gifts are valid for today. Take care, |
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5 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 93005 | ||
Look up each and deciede for yourself, not everyone will accept the Bible for total truth.I teach only what the Holy Spirit teaches me. | ||||||
6 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93170 | ||
Yes, I read the verses, still they aren't matching up. We must remember, if we are "taught" something, it has to match up with the Bible. I am greatly bothered when someone reverts back to "this is what the Holy Spirit taught me" and it doesn't fit with the Bible. That "teaching" should be ignored then. If you desire to believe in gifts, that's fine, but I have never seen a Biblical proof from them past 70 AD. Gifts were for the early Church and ceased, just like Paul said they would. Take care, | ||||||
7 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Elijah | 93175 | ||
Why little sign of power in our churches? The reasin you don't see the powerfull works in the churches today is because, the Holy Spirit is the bearer of truth by powerful works, it will not bear witness to a lie and sence the last of the true minister died in the late first century, the people have gone astray and it was prophside that this would happen, that accurate knowledge would be lost, and that why it says they are contiually studying, but never coming to accurate knowledge and thats because man is continuing to seek knowledge from man, Its just like someone on here asked what was the best Bible study and got several answers, but the answers all reficted the men of the worlds ministry, but the true answer the that persons question sould have been to do a Bible study with God |
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8 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93177 | ||
Hi there, I think the reason that there's not "powerful works" as in gifts, is because they aren't available anymore, and have not been for a very long time. It was only til under 200 years ago that American churches started to bend towards more charsmatic views on the Bible. Sadly, it seems that study of the Word of God went away, and speaking in jibber jabber came in. This also seems to coincide with the rise of Dispensationalism, Cults like SDA, JWs, and Christian Zionism; none of which are Biblically supported. However, since people have stopped reading and studying the Bible, these things are "acceptable". I personally urge people to return to their Bibles and do some serious study. Leave "tongues" alone, and "healing" and Prophecy. This things have ceased, just like the Bible tells us. Take care, |
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9 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Morant61 | 93184 | ||
Greetings Suede67! Exactly where does Scripure say that spiritual gifts 'have ceased'? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93300 | ||
Hey Tim, Sorry this is a late response, still getting used to the lay out here. Yes, the other person said it correct, 1 Cor 13:8 shows that all but Love will cease. I'll go into more depth on the response initally given to you by Darcy. Take care, SUEDE |
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11 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Morant61 | 93323 | ||
Greetings Suede! Trying to find one's way around the forum can get confusing at times! :-) I did check your response to Darcy. My short response would simply be this, there is a difference between 'believing' that the gifts have ceased and Scripture saying that they 'have' ceased. We could debate whether or not your view is correct, but in your original post you said that Scripture says that the gifts 'have' ceased. It never actually says that, it says that they 'will' cease. When this will occur or whether or not it has occurred is a matter of interpretation. You also said that Christ said that He would return in 40 years. Scripture never says this either. We have to be very careful when we say that Scripture 'says' something, if we are only referring to what we think Scripture means. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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12 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93339 | ||
Hey Tim, ...I did check your response to Darcy. My short response would simply be this, there is a difference between 'believing' that the gifts have ceased and Scripture saying that they 'have' ceased... Yes, and they have in fact ceased. Time indicators within the NT indicate to a nearness, as in within Paul's lifetime. (though he was martyred) See 1 Cor 15:51. 1st Century Christian look for Christ to come back in their lifetime. Why? Because that is exactly what was going to happen...unless the Bible is wrong that is. ...You also said that Christ said that He would return in 40 years. Scripture never says this either. We have to be very careful when we say that Scripture 'says' something, if we are only referring to what we think Scripture means... Actually it does say that, but you have to know a bit of theology to understand that a generation to a Jew would mean 40 years. Does Jesus say in a literal sense, "I'll be back in 40 years". No, he does not. He says he'll be back in a generation, i.e 40 years. I do agree in being careful when claiming scripture says something, but I also leave scripture to interpret itself. Generation is one of those things. I know this view is difficult cause we as Christians are taught this theology now days. But this wasn't always the case. I do hope we can futher discuss it though, Take care, SUEDE |
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