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1 | Isn't baptism needed for salvation? | Mark 16:16 | flinkywood | 111138 | ||
CDBJ, brother, I don't wish to cause any tedious salvation scrimmage in the forum. And I certainly did read your entire post, particularly "The “baptized” in this verse is an automatic function of the work of the Holy Spirit upon the one who has believed in the work of Jesus Christ." I had never occurred to me that Mark 16.16 referred to a baptism without water. I'd considered this verse among those grey-area scriptures regarding the baptism-salvation question. Please help me to understand how "baptism" Mark 16.16 does not refer to a literal water baptism but to an automatic function of the Holy Spirit. Regards, Colin |
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2 | Isn't baptism needed for salvation? | Mark 16:16 | CDBJ | 111153 | ||
Well I can tell you this much, if it isn’t the baptism of the Spirit, and it is water as you are affirming, then Scripture contradicts it’s self; which we know is ludicrous; consider the following. Luke 23:40-43 40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. This man was not baptized with water after he called Jesus Lord yet he was saved and was going to paradise to be with Jesus. In an instance of time the thief was sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. We cannot say that he was an exception to the rule due to the following verse. Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. They that are trusting in water baptism in conjunction with faith in Jesus, are not saved in the purest sense or translation of the words, faith is Christ! The word faith in the Koine Greek, PISTIS, demands singleness of attention to the person of the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be effective and it is only by the grace of God that it works this way; one can’t gain anything by putting himself through some kind of water ritual or much less having it done for him! It's faith alone in Christ along and anyone that thinks differently is walking on very thin ice, as it were! Ephes. 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. I all honesty, if this isn’t clear in your mind you better get before the Lord and ask Him to reveal it to you! Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Is the following correct or is something added? 1 Tim. 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope along with water baptism; “NOT” 1 Tim. 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; If water baptism had anything to do with salvation Paul wouldn’t have mentioned this. 1 Cor. 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. Don’t make the cross of Christ of none effect by adding water baptism to your faith in Jesus! In love, CDBJ |
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3 | Isn't baptism needed for salvation? | Mark 16:16 | flinkywood | 111172 | ||
CDBJ, thanks for your reply. I'm trying to understand the baptism-salvation debate, and Jesus' statement to the thief on the cross (Luke 23:40-43) is one of many I'm weighing in the balance. Here are several more; each is central to my original question to you. In John 3.3 Jesus tells Nicodemus that “…unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God”, and continues in v5 with “…unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” What gets me is that immediately “After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.” (v22). By proximity, context and the fact that our Lord is Himself immersing others as He Himself was immersed, these verses magnify the importance of baptism as an act which, if not necessary for, is at least central to our salvation. Also, in an effort to understand Jesus’ “born again” teaching, notice that Nicodemus asks how a man can “enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born…", the womb being, in essence, an earthly water from which we are born, further linking and amplifying the material necessity of water to our life in both the earthly and spiritual sense. Also, in Matthew 3.16 we read, “After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.” Here Jesus receives the Holy Spirit post-immersion, “by grace through faith” to be sure, but through a deliberate act of water baptism. Could the act baptism be any less essential in view of these events? I really wonder. After these things I don’t see how “has been baptized” of Mark 16.16 can be divorced from its literal sense. Colin |
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