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1 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54025 | ||
Append, BTW Joe, I am not implying that OT saints were not influenced by or aware of the Holy Spirit. They very much were. I am just saying that the Holy Spirit did not indwell the average OT believer through out his (or her) whole life. The Spirit left Saul. David was very much aware that God's Spirit would leave him because of his sin. As NT believers, we should not live in that fear. Our sins have been dealt with once-and-for-all. Therefore, God re-creates us as new creatures in Him and indwells us forever - 2 Cor 5:17; Gal 6:15; Eph 2:10; Eph 4:24. McGracer |
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2 | rock foundation | Matt 7:24 | Reformer Joe | 54027 | ||
I guess my question/observation can be summed up in the following way: Is regeneration (being "born again") and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit the same thing? I agree that both are true of "New Testament" believers, but I think it may be a mistake to rule out Old Testament saints having a new nature even if the Spirit didn't indwell them the same way He does us today. What do the rest of you think? --Joe! |
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3 | What do the rest of you think? | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54033 | ||
Joe, I'd like to hear some other opinions on this too so I'll also repost this as a question. While I'm not the "rest of you", I wanted to share this verse: Titus 3:4 - But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior. I see lots of instances in the OT of the Holy Spirit coming upon someone to enable them to do what God called them to do but I haven't really found any instances of someone being "born again" or of them actually posessing eternal life. This doesn't mean that they didn't live forever because everyone lives forever in one place or another. But Daniel 12:2 says that "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt." Everlasting life, for OT believers starts at their resurrection. We are partakers, not of everlasting life (life which has a beginning but no end), but of ETERNAL life, Christ's life, which has NO beginning and NO end, for He is eternal. I believe that this is what the writer of Hebrews is saying in Heb 11:39 where he says that all the OT believers did not receive the eternal life that was promised them during their life-times. But, in verse 40, we have received something better than they, eternal life - here and now in Christ. In this aspect, the OT was never made perfect - see also Heb 10:1. We, in contrast, posess eternal life - Christ's life - and His completed sacrifice has made us, from God's viewpoint, perfect for ALL time - Heb 10:14. What do the rest of you think? Thanks, Joe. McGracer |
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4 | What do the rest of you think? | Matt 7:24 | Morant61 | 54039 | ||
Greetings McGracer! Great question! Don't forget the rest of Heb. 11:40 though! While it is true that the Old Testament saints did not physically receive the promise, verse 40 says that they were made perfect together with us. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | What do the rest of you think? | Matt 7:24 | McGracer | 54042 | ||
Tim, Yes, thanks for the clarification. I believe they were made during at their resurrection. They just didn't receive it during their lifetime whereas we do through new birth. Thanks, bro. I know what I want to say but I can't always find the words, or, if I do find them, I forget where I leave them. :) McGracer |
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6 | What do the rest of you think? | Matt 7:24 | Morant61 | 54043 | ||
Greetings McGracer! I have the same problem, especially when I'm dealing with my kids! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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