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1 | Extension of original topic? | Matt 27:5 | tmjt21 | 125609 | ||
I'm not sure how this is going to go over, but this topic just came up between a friend of mine (that goes to a catholic church, but also calls herself a Christian) and me. That part is not the issue, b/c I do believe she has a personally life with Christ and is living her life to be fruitful for Christ. But in talking about this topic, "can a saved person committ suicide" she mentioned in the converstaion that she believes that if a person is saved, committs suicide or dies in anyway and has turned away from God, that they will go to hell. BUT, if believers pray enough for that person, they can get that person into heaven. I have never heard this before until now. So I am trying to test it against the Bible b/c I believe that it is the only way to prove or disprove anything. Let me know if I need to be clearer. If I have been clear enough, then I thank anyone for taking the time to help me out here. Take care and God Bless all of you! me |
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2 | Extension of original topic? | Matt 27:5 | EdB | 125618 | ||
tmjt21 I'm not Catholic and I hope our Catholic friend Emmaus may see this and respond, however I will take a crack at it. I think your friend is talking about the Catholic belief of purgatory, where if you commit venial sins you go and can be prayed for and released. However I believe even Catholics believe suicide is a mortal sin one that can't be forgiven by prayer for the dead. In other words the soul is lost. However before I pursued this point any further with your friend I would find out why they feel the way they do. It might be their telling themselves this because they have had a loved one commit suicide and they can’t live with the fact that loved one may be lost. If that is the case it serves no purpose and may even be cruel on your part to try to convince them that a person that commits suicide according to Catholicism is lost. EdB |
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3 | "pray a fallen Christian into Heaven." | Matt 27:5 | tmjt21 | 125651 | ||
I'm really not trying to delve into the Catholic religion with this question. I am more asking anyone what their beliefs are on being able to "pray a fallen Christian into Heaven." I know that I typed this under the suicide topic and maybe I shouldn't have, but the real issue the previous statement. And just to clear this part up also, I will re-explain it. It really isn't an issue for only someone committing suicide. They believe this can be done with anyone that has fallen away and at that time died in some way. And it might not even come from anything they have been taught in their church. Meaning it could come from something other that her Catholic beliefs. EdB, Thank you for that last paragraph. That is a very good point and should be kept in mind often. I do not think their belief is rooted in hope of one they has lost. It is a belief that they said would hold up to the Bible for anyone. I am having them research and get back to me. me |
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4 | "pray a fallen Christian into Heaven." | Matt 27:5 | JCrichton | 125656 | ||
Hi, me! I think Emmaus fully explained, including resources cited, the views of the Catholic Church. There are all sorts of beliefs out there... some are rooted in Catholic principles, others in the occult, others in the various Oriental/Asian teachings... sometimes, as old wives tales, they become an amalgamate of some or all of the above. I remember running into a very devoted Christian who stated that murder is a sin for which there's no forgiveness. He quoted his pastor and many of the elders of his congragation as defining this decree as Biblical fact. When we watch movies and televisionn programs we find that everybody goes to Heaven or to an alternate plane of existence where live continues, as usual, with a few added perks... ever seen the movie "Other People"--I think that's the title--it plays on the experience of a Catholic woman who losses her husband in WWII, goes mad, smothers her two children with a pillow and kills herself with a shootgun... they end up in a subworld where all who die truly end up (as per movie); her little girl confesses to another spirit that she does not believe in Purgatory and many of the other teachings her mother wants her to accept from the Church and the Bible, and she adamantly professes to believe in ghosts!... the climax: this loving mother grabs her children and begin to chant: "This house is ours... this house is ours..." These philosophies and theologies are being taught by hollo wood and its affiliates... due to their constant bombardment and people's thirst for "fitting in" with "the crowd", those who are borderline believers are subscribing to them and mergin them with their Christian principles (just as an example: a homosexual "bishop" proclaiming God's love to all in a come-as-you-are theology...). We are not Christ Jesus! Our power is dependent on Him; on our own we have no power at all (John 15:4-5) Rescuing people from Hell was His job and His alone (1 Peter 3:18-20). We can pray for humanity so that all may be saved, but we cannot remove anyone from Hell. God Bless! Angel |
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